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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: okey dokey.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: So the second session for the afternoon is delegated to delegated detectors so the way we set this up as we will have a talk first on the forward.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: Current and proposed LP experiments and then the transverse once and so we'll have this first talk by Carl William who will introduce the forward section afters will have amatory talking about the transverse and then.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: We have plenty of time after us to discuss these two and how these two contractions and research.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: can work together, so I think really yes sorry go ahead.

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James Beacham (he/him): Can I just say one thing so most people notice or they would have noticed this already because.

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James Beacham (he/him): The regulars that have been coming to the workshops, for a long time, but this is actually kind of a deviation from what we normally do, obviously we have so many fascinating and.

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James Beacham (he/him): You know, dedicated LP detectors over the years and it's a vibrant you know.

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James Beacham (he/him): source of discussion we typically have had a session, you know, on the first day that has you know short updates for each of the individual projects.

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James Beacham (he/him): And it's always a bunch of lively discussion this time we wanted to switch it up a bit and try to go for two talks one that's about forward and one that's about that kind of transfers dedicated LP detectors.

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James Beacham (he/him): In addition to that, because we didn't discourage anybody from submitting abstracts for the dedicated detectors we also have a bunch of talks about the dedicated textures that are that are.

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James Beacham (he/him): Specific updates, we decided to put them later in the week, as you can see from the from the agenda, but just you know if you're coming to this for the first time this is sort of a deviation from us and.

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James Beacham (he/him): Looking forward to it because we've got two fantastic speakers talking about it so i'm done thanks Carl.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: Indeed, so I can let you know when you have 10 minutes or so, to go, but in meantime please.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: get started the inconvenience Thank you okay.

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Carl Gwilliam: So yeah absolutely tagline talk about current proposed forward Alex experiments which I couldn't resist the titling looking forward our.

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Carl Gwilliam: Apologies for any any behind list just a one slide introduction so obviously dedicated our P detectors mitigate several the issues of searching London particles channel purpose act as many of which Laura discussed so there's background is generally mitigated by rock or shielding between.

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Carl Gwilliam: The production.

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Carl Gwilliam: Of the detectors as well as reducing your background, this cannot give simpler and, in some cases even know triggering you can obviously you're free to say a tag to the sector and have specialized help you touchy.

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Carl Gwilliam: But even within these dedicated out each detectors the optimal design and strongly dependent on the tactic.

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Carl Gwilliam: signature.

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Carl Gwilliam: So you can either have sectors transfers to the general purpose to the to the attraction point or forward.

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Carl Gwilliam: The transverse ones, which has mentioned gamma will talk about after me a more dedicated towards heavier particles.

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Carl Gwilliam: where's the forward ones tend to target low mass lps which are produced in light of the case which are generally picked in the forward direction, as you can see in this plot, which shows cross section, but pions in the momentum versus ample space.

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Carl Gwilliam: And there's also this for production gnostic is rice or large nutrient flux in the fourth section, as you can see, an example of here for new eat in the person's energy.

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Carl Gwilliam: The other thing about folders hector's is there a kennel able to tag it longer out the lifetimes can patch transverse detectors second can replace other from the IP.

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Carl Gwilliam: So there are three main detectors operating and run three and i'm going to concentrate on.

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Carl Gwilliam: There are two detectors each at 480 meters either side of atlas you needed to take 12 to 18 service handles after the energy comes away.

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Carl Gwilliam: Which are therefore shielded by from background by about 100 meters of rock so one of these is a solid search experiment which is to the east of atlas and a spectrometer and dedicated is a new detective neutrinos situated on the line of sight.

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Carl Gwilliam: The other is a statute, you know detector s amp D galaxy to the West, which is a hybrid neutrino detector located off axis in this range.

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Carl Gwilliam: Now there's also the metal operators are penetrating articles on maps.

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Carl Gwilliam: Which is basically a simulator plus pmt detector located about 100 meters from Alex to be in the main metal detector in this UAE at three Kevin.

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Carl Gwilliam: One thing to note here is the prototype was actually in this utc one Kevin here, this is actually moved, since it was found that it would take too long to prepare safely as Kevin for run three so this isn't a different position about a factor to further away.

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Carl Gwilliam: So we'll just start by saying a word on the bsm physics sensitivity i'll try and summarize that so obviously the longer particles produced the bb collisions travel.

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Carl Gwilliam: of order hundred meters before then being affected by these experiments and they generally sensitive to the masses in the Multi MTV to load dv range.

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Carl Gwilliam: So favorite decade sex longer particle the case, the standard model particles usually pairs of things like the electrons the ones I photo.

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Carl Gwilliam: And this gives some testing models, such as out and photons you see an example of the sensitivity here for fazer for adapt photon in the plane of the coupling, this is the mass.

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Carl Gwilliam: sm theodicy it's primarily looking trainers, but it can also look at elastic or an elastic people interacting particle scattering or indeed potentially fit sticking to me or me.

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Carl Gwilliam: This gives her access, for example, to very light that matter so setting the tone here data matters scattering Ionic the detector.

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Carl Gwilliam: This plot shows an example in a lecture phobic that mass scenario we've got the sensitivity versus the coupling and the mass the mediator, you can see in the blue and the Green lines essential sensitivity.

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Carl Gwilliam: And finally, we have, as I mentioned the metal metal detector which is sensitive to long the particle decays and to really charged particles so particularly can look for longer particles case to manage has articles, you can also look for various models, such as.

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Carl Gwilliam: An example just shown here for the full from to data in the red car, this is the mixing angle and the mask that.

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Carl Gwilliam: It can also actually be censored, a very long path traffic particles from the main metal detector we'll talk about later.

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Carl Gwilliam: So let's start with the phases hector, this is a small inexpensive detector it's about seven meters long and about 10 centimeters in radius.

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Carl Gwilliam: So if you imagine something now are pieces of that photo coming in here from the right from atlas passes to simulate a beaker system designed to project background through going new ones.

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Carl Gwilliam: Then into a decay volume, which has like six as the magnetic field, whatever then decay, for example, intellect and a positive on.

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Carl Gwilliam: The same path to to further magnets between space with three tracking chambers, each of which consists of three layers of leftover access the key modules and, in fact, you can see more about the tracker in the recent paper.

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Carl Gwilliam: Then passes through a simulator push our system and also an electromagnetic color amateur which consists of four ads to be, how do you how do we call modules, each of which are layers of Center later and letters or something.

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Carl Gwilliam: At the beginning, here we have the dedicate facial new detector that I mentioned, which is in a motion detector with ultimately and Wilson films in terms of Bytes protecting nutrients and you can see, an example of the different flavors may look here.

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Carl Gwilliam: This has been successfully installed in to 12 and match and it's shown in situ here, where you can see, the various factors that I mentioned in the previous page, which now includes the final components interface tracker and I would be station.

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Carl Gwilliam: I didn't include a partial phase in new box about a third of it which you can see, being installed here.

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Carl Gwilliam: And so there was a dedicated test team, as I mentioned, for a kilometer last summer, but since then the whole detectors been ongoing.

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Carl Gwilliam: undergoing entity commissioning with cosmic events and being a method actor paper on this being finalized application in a giant ship with the other HC three detectors.

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Carl Gwilliam: So, starting with the current testing, which is shown here, which was taken last summer at the age to be with electrons are various energy and high energy nuance and pions.

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Carl Gwilliam: So it looks something like this, if this is the 69 modules four main ones and spares along with the pre show detector and the interface track.

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Carl Gwilliam: You see here some samples of the various physics, I see you see here the residuals for the interface tracker chapter alignment, this was the dollars less microns you see the ratio of the energy deposited in the to.

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Carl Gwilliam: preach our channels, showing potential for political identification and here you saw the relative energy resolution.

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Carl Gwilliam: versus the beam energy for the testing data and black compared to our simulation and read and also, since these, as I mentioned how to be how modules compared also to the LCD.

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Carl Gwilliam: And again, a paper on this is impact.

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Carl Gwilliam: Now, in K 12 however fazer was actually able to see very excitingly, the first thing possible, so the recent six point hgtv beam optics tests.

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Carl Gwilliam: And you can see here up to go example you see the top view and a side view of these particles, which is the first projects we've had the transverse the full detector.

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Carl Gwilliam: You can see in red they fire all the various ventilator detectors you can see three hits each track of planes here see nice parameters signals in the two top column into modules about fashion.

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Carl Gwilliam: Despite this is a relatively low rate we have about 50 or so events these that allow us to do that.

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Carl Gwilliam: I just wanted to mention the word on the face of you said as a dedicated and also detector at Pfizer.

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Carl Gwilliam: and sensitive to this was confirmed by putting a pilot inspector about 30 kilograms different Calvin you do 12 for one month previously.

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Carl Gwilliam: And as Brian mentioned the scissors 2.7 Sigma the first neutrino played a neutrino candidates shown here by the beach here, you see a reconstructed event on one of these two days, two events, both on the side.

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Carl Gwilliam: our faith in you will actually be exchanged, we can be about every three months in 123 to keep the detector.

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Carl Gwilliam: manageable so that's why currently we only have a partial box in the States and, as I mentioned, this will be exchanged by the full detector technical stuff one will then be in for around three months change again in two, and so on.

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Carl Gwilliam: So the procedure here is the the motion films are produced at certain sectors in Japan, and this has already been done for the first full detector they shipped certain way, there are assembled and installed in K 12.

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Carl Gwilliam: After three months exposure they disassembled and developed and shipped to Japan, where we have the full area readout and the reconstruction.

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Carl Gwilliam: Here you see a few examples of pictures of this you see the Nelson production facility in Japan sub module assembly going on at CERN and the readout of via the high throughput scanning microscope Japan.

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Carl Gwilliam: The currently we're actually going on mechanics challenge which are valued at the data taking So here we want to test out full.

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Carl Gwilliam: production chain, from generation, all the way through to analysis and doing so we're basically generating representative back no background sorry and signal processors.

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Carl Gwilliam: So you see here the detector that i've shown several times now now geometry fully implemented in our simulation, including the trench that it sits in.

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Carl Gwilliam: And you can see examples here of a representative background process was single new on with the phase of new leaving, as you can see a yellow it's all the trackers and a small energy as it appreciate it and Keller.

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Carl Gwilliam: And compared to a potential signal, so this case 100 me V dot photon became T, plus the miners are again, you see the track, but now you see it's splitting into the to decay particles here, and obviously lots more energy in the shower and the encounter.

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Carl Gwilliam: So our goal here is to demonstrate and and analysis workflow to finalize the software discover have any missing, this is an interesting to jumpstart the analysis have that ready for them to be good.

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Carl Gwilliam: Now let's move on to s amp D and llc, which is about a one by 2.6 meter detector that, as I mentioned, is located slightly off line of sight and it's designed to ID all three tuner flavors and also search for pets.

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Carl Gwilliam: So, as I mentioned, this is a hyper detect it consists of electronics detectors that we can jump online and an emotion cloud Chamber similar to face interview that he faced with three months and reconstruct.

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Carl Gwilliam: So similar to face at the firm is a vicious insulated to check nuance followed by the two main detective pat's target region consists of five and motion and Thompson modules.

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Carl Gwilliam: That provide vertex thing and then to leave with the same number of scintillating fiber or SCI fi trackers provide this together, these also allowed electromagnetic cover image.

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Carl Gwilliam: This is followed by immune system consisting of eight believe since later bows and I am blocks and, together with the SCI fi this iconic color.

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Carl Gwilliam: So a feeling interesting particle such as like that matter, obviously similar to neutrino it scatters off the atoms in the motion detector.

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Carl Gwilliam: So if it's got us off a proton we start to see a hydroponic shower this cat is often electron you would see an isolating election ID ID electromagnetic shower.

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Carl Gwilliam: We also have good timing resolution here which allows us disentangle fx signals a potential fit signals from those tweets.

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Carl Gwilliam: So again, this is successfully installed into a team, just after the previous workshop So you see here detector being installed in December last year.

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Carl Gwilliam: followed by the neutrino shield, which was installed at the scale and then you can see the completed detector institute really next literally next to the http.

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Carl Gwilliam: So here's some of your some of the main tech performance characteristics relative to the psm six program so the SCI fi detector resolution was mentioning cosmic events and a dedicated testing giving a resolution to some resolution of less than 100 microns post alignment.

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Carl Gwilliam: Your privacy resolution is in the age of 37 region, you see here dependence on energy for simulated and electrons and there was also a dedicated pion desk to see a picture of here to calibrate the energy.

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Carl Gwilliam: Finally, this plot shows the time difference between the two ends of the downstream ventilators around 170 people seconds.

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Carl Gwilliam: And this type of fight mentioned can potentially allow attendees to push the bs and sensitivity to hide mass as you see in this blog which shows that you physics sensitivity coming from the time of flight in the mentor that's massively I think generally.

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Carl Gwilliam: Like fazer sad that he has been doing in situ commissioning.

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Carl Gwilliam: With cosmic rays, for example, which show me a top you and a side view here, we see the new one and more excitingly recently with LSD beam when you see him you're going through the full detector game, the top and a side view.

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Carl Gwilliam: So, finally, for the run three detectors we move on to medals map detector, which is a roughly one by two by four meter scintillating detector.

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Carl Gwilliam: consists of 400 simulator bars and pmt so look like this arranged in four sections surrounded by a veto layer and he of the particles, this time coming in from Alex up from the right.

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Carl Gwilliam: So this is designed to set the passage of money charged particles can also detect, for example, as shown here incoming neutral and ease of decay, for example, to a pair of new ones.

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Carl Gwilliam: Now, in addition to this will actually be used to monitor the traffic detectors from the main metal detector.

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Carl Gwilliam: which will be exposed for a year and then they'll be taken underground positions near map this point yellow piece make decay and then could be detected giving sensitivity to charge to appease with very long lifetimes of the order of 10 years.

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Carl Gwilliam: Now, as of February this year they've installed support family, you can see here, and you at three along with a fraction of the bars and various other services.

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Carl Gwilliam: Now I mentioned earlier, the location of this has changed and it's actually reduces the another charged particle sensitivity, as you can see here in this plot for.

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Carl Gwilliam: decades now charged particles, this is a fractional charge versus the mass and you see the sensitivity in the original location I just kind of Burgundy color.

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Carl Gwilliam: This is slightly to this blue color in the new action, although it does, however, increase the level of a lifetime REACH, because, as I mentioned, you double this from interaction.

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Carl Gwilliam: In the near future, just after the run three, there is a plan to install a supplementary off hacks detector So you see a map detector here unless you post this new outrigger detector.

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Carl Gwilliam: consists of four layers of Center later planks, and this will increase the sensitivity of both high mass and high fraction charge.

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Carl Gwilliam: And then, in the longer term so for the highly musty he has a plan for a map to detector line in the walls back in the renovated ugc one gallery.

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Carl Gwilliam: Which is that about 55 meters the line of sight and you can see here by the Green Line compared to the red area in the dark heck sensitivity that I showed earlier, the significantly extensive sensitive.

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Carl Gwilliam: So i'll change it to concentrating on future health Amnesty and he plans, where there is a proposal to build a dedicated forward because it's healthy the fps for the ahl allergy era era.

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Carl Gwilliam: And the idea here is to benefit from the increased the musty in several ways by living longer detectors which obviously increase target okay volume is sensational wider range of lifetime's.

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Carl Gwilliam: By loan wipers sectors which, for example, gets increased sensitivity flavor production and by allowing new detectors which will live complimentary physics.

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Carl Gwilliam: So, as you can see something is here, this gives rich and brought physics program particularly you have psn back sector searches neutrino physics and even standard model measurements.

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Carl Gwilliam: Now, since the last ll E workshop, there has been a real details my for lunch at age White Paper summarizing all the studies and physics case for this forward.

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Carl Gwilliam: Now summarize this briefly here.

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Carl Gwilliam: So you have this part physics 30 you have psm articles potentially a long lifetime producing let's say atlas and they can protect it in various ways.

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Carl Gwilliam: by a variety of those experiments that i'm going to Ireland little while so, for example, you have data matches scattering which can be identified post flare experiment, you get charged particles which can be detected in the proposed experiment.

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Carl Gwilliam: And you can get along the standard, along with particles and things like quirks the second updated fazer experiment.

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Carl Gwilliam: Before and you to flux, that I mentioned, you can also be used to search for the sm affects the various ways, you can have the sm neutrino production.

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Carl Gwilliam: You could ask around neutrino isolation but propagating and you could also have bsm neutrino interactions, such as the man, a dipole moment which flow would be sensitive to have non standard interactions which can.

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Carl Gwilliam: detect and also you know self interactions which, for example, an updated faith in new detective.

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Carl Gwilliam: Okay, so since i'm on Facebook sorry, let me concentrate a little bit on post space to experiment.

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Carl Gwilliam: Which is basically conceptually a scaled up version of the current phase or experiment it's now it's no longer has a one meter radius rather than 10 centimeters giving it something like 100 times the active area.

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Carl Gwilliam: So here's article coming in, would have gone through a veto veto veto similar to now and through a decade magnets these and now superconducting with a field of around one tesla.

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Carl Gwilliam: We again have tracker stations or then much larger So the idea, it would be something like essentially sort of fiber tracker and then you have enhanced color imagery and also additional your detector giving the ID.

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Carl Gwilliam: So this gives access to a much wider physics program for very many models which is dark factors see the steelers steelers Alps have initial outcomes, etc, you can see here the wealth of the program in phases, to add to the current phase.

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Carl Gwilliam: You also see here some example sensitivities I hate channel, in this case toes.

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Carl Gwilliam: house couple into firm yawns and dark hicks the latitude of which cannot be accessed.

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Carl Gwilliam: You see, the sensitivity here, showing been read by phase, or to obviously significantly larger uncovered face.

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Carl Gwilliam: They increase is also increases the sensitivities to hire mass you see here in the back for one example that I showed earlier you've got the face or acceptance in the dark yellow.

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Carl Gwilliam: And then the lighter yellow you've got the face to acceptance, which was going down or couplings for the significantly higher taxes.

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Carl Gwilliam: Now there are currently the other experiments to extended to detectors and to new Mexico detectors so face a new is a 2010 in motion and tencent detector attached to phase two very similar to detect that the pledge times larger.

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Carl Gwilliam: and focus of this would be on Tony to you know measurements that are enabled by the higher rate I did nasty galaxy.

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Carl Gwilliam: But it also has access to direct that matter sensitivity and you can see, this here on this particular shows particular model, the sensitivity of coupling and mass and you see here to sensitivity in this green line.

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Carl Gwilliam: That I have flare which the news and like 1010 liquid item tpc to look for neutrino physics and again that matter of scattering and you see this on the same spot here in red giving similar sensibility to face to.

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Carl Gwilliam: Then advanced s&d is a updated off axis nutrients detector to look for things like forward champ production and the low exclude EDF for in this fall in this flush you see the improvement in the REACH for this left for that matter, model I showed earlier by comparing the.

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Carl Gwilliam: green and red line, so the blue and red lines to the green line that was executed galaxy.

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Carl Gwilliam: So that's the experiments, what about the facility itself or based on several studies from a certain civil engineering team, the baseline is now to have a new dedicated facility something like 600 meters to the west of the other side you want.

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Carl Gwilliam: So it's been a very preliminary cost estimate them for this, which is about 40 million strikes 23 million for the civil engineering and 15 million for the services, plus of course the experiments on top.

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Carl Gwilliam: And in fact this is one of the reasons why previous supposedly you may have heard i've had our codes in this existing uja 12 area is discounted as this really limits the physics, scope and, in fact, in the endzone ends up costing 2.5 times less.

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Carl Gwilliam: So then, moving That brings me to my summary so hope I can show you the power detectors give access to light, and we can interact and particle specific lifetime.

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Carl Gwilliam: And even small and then expecting detect inexpensive detectors can have a strong business case it's complimentary to the GTS and to non collider experiments.

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Carl Gwilliam: It resides sense to ensure wide range of ips and models to those listed here and Pope uncovered regions of facebook's, in fact, in some cases even already for the 2022 data.

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Carl Gwilliam: The three new detectors that I mentioned for three are making great progress towards them and data taking and please stay tuned for first physics results.

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Carl Gwilliam: And then the longer term there's this proposal for a dedicated forward physics facility take advantage of it nasty ality and hopefully give a rich and broad.

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Carl Gwilliam: But, as I mentioned the timeline is tied, so if you're interested, please do get in touch with the with the organizers and.

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Carl Gwilliam: Thank you.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: There will be a dedicated session for discussion of this talk in the next one, but we do have time for a few questions on cost talk specifically and I see that Michael has his hand up so yeah Please go ahead.

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Michael Albrow: yeah just coming imagine mentioned among.

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Michael Albrow: proposed forward detectors this facet, which is, I do subsystem proposal cms there's a talk on Wednesday about it, but it has 14 kilometers of vacuum volume, which is unique to the HC so let's talk on Wednesday about that that's it Thank you.

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José Zurita: make such a talk so I wanted to ask you about a four hour fitness facility, because I didn't have time to look into the there's no magic part, so if I have a good idea for anyone have a good idea for a follower that actor.

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José Zurita: is essentially free space there or is everything I mean it artificially on the cheek and sold out how How would it work if someone says Oh, I want to start detector that.

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José Zurita: could help either know it may seem TAO ivica religions, because this this model that needs it, so how would it work in practice.

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Carl Gwilliam: So they I believe there is still room for people's pumped up and come up with new ideas and you know this.

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Carl Gwilliam: This this occurring relies on a strong physics case is obviously we have to spend significant money building in you and you.

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Carl Gwilliam: haven't to the more cases we have a very strong and ideas for experiments to this, the more likely, I think it is to.

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Susanne Westhoff: yeah thanks a lot, I have a question about the scattering experiments layer that the sensitive to, among others, like dark matter scattering.

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Susanne Westhoff: I was wondering what maybe we can see it here on the summary plot, if you look at flare sensitivity, compared to, for example, the mdm X or I think also ellison D.

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Emma Torró Pastor: A few of the ones that I that I know, and this includes also forward and transfers, many of them already mentioned by current.

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Emma Torró Pastor: models that Carlos already mentioned in this talk, I will be talking about the other kinds are transfers detectors and normally the same at heavier states or, but we will see that some of these dedicated transfers to the doctors also sensitive to even light light particles.

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Emma Torró Pastor: So, starting from dedicated long list practical experiments aiming at at neutral lps and and focusing on for experiments, I may have forgotten someone some so if that's the case, please let me know at the end of the talk.

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Emma Torró Pastor: And so I will start with my first one, so this one is going to be placed above in the surface, about the cms experiment.

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Emma Torró Pastor: i'm about 70 meters away from from the IP from the inflection point horizontally, and so the idea here is that because it's on the surface, it will have about 100 meters of rock that would that will act as a healing.

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Emma Torró Pastor: And so, in the end we aim for, as your background analyses also it is you can see, that is a very light is hundred meter times 100 meters Square and with these and 25 meters high so with this we get a very large volume together a good, solid angle, for the experiment.

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Emma Torró Pastor: The doctors so starting, starting with metal this was located already a few years ago in the lake city government and if.

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Emma Torró Pastor: It is dedicated to tax lld so highly ins and particles magnet magnetic monopoles but also less exotics particles let's say like leptons or hasn't it has two kinds of.

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Emma Torró Pastor: And when I highlight Unison particular post with ELISE damage that you can lead to reconstruct as attack so with this.

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Emma Torró Pastor: For magnetic monopoles and ED compared here the reach of metal compared to what we have been unless of disease at the results and others, but even if you compare it with the theme, the mother has a much better reach as high amounts is actually a high magnet charges.

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Emma Torró Pastor: It will be built up simulator buyers with the empties, and so the idea is that this this military spectacles ios simulator so they can be detected.

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Emma Torró Pastor: There was a prototype builds on so in 2018 and the data in 2018 and with that they were able able to confirm the background expectations you didn't see or hear an example of the very nice agreement between the.

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Emma Torró Pastor: simulations and data, and now the idea is that for for four to 400 to isolate for around three and there's going to be an upgrade and there are two kinds of detectors one is the data protector.

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Emma Torró Pastor: And for these ones, because technology, similar to the prototype the background estimation, is already validated with the demonstration then straighter.

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Emma Torró Pastor: And they have four planes that will be stuck in the between these other data bars and this will help with background protection and he also increases the REACH for heavier and principles.

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Emma Torró Pastor: So, combining the sensitivity of middle America was was complicated because they kind of different and Muslims so here I am showing the the prospects for minutes at spectacles i've also gone and mentioned a bit, so I think i'm trying to read all these, but you can see here how.

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Emma Torró Pastor: Many fun is very So you can see, in read the the sensitivity that they already raised with the demonstrator in 2017 data.

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Emma Torró Pastor: And the prostitutes, with the new that actor, to be to be built, for one thing, thank you, so you can compare.

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Emma Torró Pastor: The two options that I mentioned, so one is the only test lab detectors or the bar detectors So you can see that documentation of both is meant to include the system to meet the fight alone, I also wanted to compare it to map.

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Emma Torró Pastor: And also, I didn't find any place that contain both that here, you can see more or less how even if not is a forward that that it can also have access to a similar kind of turned into space than than the one.

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Emma Torró Pastor: And then, just to finish, I just wanted to mention this, which is not actually elysee but it's for FCC and this that and the doctor I don't know how to pronounce it so if someone in the audience knows and it's like no.

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Emma Torró Pastor: yeah so here, the idea is that for a SEC, the government's for the actors are going to be quite much larger than the detectors themselves.

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Emma Torró Pastor: So there will be some space between the induction point and the walls of the current and the idea is to instrument of the worlds and so that you can also have a detective for peace.

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Emma Torró Pastor: And yeah so the I guess to to do this with our pieces, there will be two layers for timing and then for external users for to do the tracking and analytics the construction.

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Emma Torró Pastor: and other good thing is that is for buying, so we have this one unfortunately dangle covered and and it can also be related to the main detector because they are very close and hearing this Presidency, the prospects and how these.

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Emma Torró Pastor: These again for it and else how this the sensitivity of the size of that there will compare to muscles law or cold hdd that you can see, in library here, so it will really expand the coverage by a lot.

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Emma Torró Pastor: So that's everything I had and yeah just as a conclusion there's really a lot of new projects aiming to the Declan with particles inventory or high luminosity or even beyond.

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Emma Torró Pastor: There are many ideas and many of them as we've seen our complimentary in a way, or in another so yeah there's.

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Emma Torró Pastor: there's lots of opportunities to expand the coverage and parameter space that that we are able to reach their main that actors and also maybe thinking about the future of CC.

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Emma Torró Pastor: And now that it's still to design, it will be a nice idea is if this, so the LP physics program would be already included in as as part of the program in the main detectors or if if we can maybe reuse some of other sectors and and include the main physics program from the beginning.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: Thank you very much for this very comprehensive talk me that's really great.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: Yes, Okay, so I said we'll have the discussion just a second, but I want to give the chance to have some specific questions about emma's talk before we get into the more general discussion with anyone who wanted to ask a specific question about what was proposed in the transverse direction.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: Okay, I had just a.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: What kind of spatial resolution do we expect for these kind of tracking layers.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: If, if any, because I guess you have like some directional policy but it's not clear to me like whether it's like a one meter resolution or something like that.

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Emma Torró Pastor: Oh for timing, I can tell you it's.

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Emma Torró Pastor: More so they are, they have another second or maybe half nanosecond as special recipes and I can remember, and the top of my head, but he smiles on the order of centimeters.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: Okay, even over this hundred meter.

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Emma Torró Pastor: yeah because we have this for tracking layers and are separated by one and then the.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: cool and then secondly just a curiosity about when you mentioned the new this you mentioned about.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: Actually, how your comparison of all of the different possible options in the transverse direction you you highlighted that a new business would be able to speak to atlas.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: But the other ones, this was a bit understanding, but I was just curious specifically what you meant by that so Does that mean that, like a new business would be plugged in say to the Atlas trigger system or.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: Would you be able to match events specifically between a new miss an atlas is that what you're suggesting.

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Emma Torró Pastor: Maybe someone from analyst can can can answer better than me, I can tell you what the idea was for my first land, which would be for masters level is to act as a three year.

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Emma Torró Pastor: For atlas or whenever you reconstruct something that you see as interesting you send the warning to add lesson, then they can store the last and band score.

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Emma Torró Pastor: So you can try to match may both events from movies Maybe someone from the collaboration can answer.

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Emma Torró Pastor: But I guess it's something to that.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: yeah I mean that's my guests as well, but like so what's the main limitation, because it sounds like this would be super useful right, and if we can do it, and we, we should do it, but.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: it's the problem that, like the distance of 200 meters is just.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: too far yeah exactly.

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Emma Torró Pastor: The limitation is the latency for the trigger.

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Emma Torró Pastor: So how many paths crossing, can you save before nothing's like gives you the triggers to to tell you that you have to store them.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: Okay, and then lily.

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Albert De Roeck: lily did you ask for newbies if they will connect up with.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: I did, yes.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: They will.

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Albert De Roeck: Days even some some cases that the minimal case studies that they have only one plane and this atlas was the one plane to shop, for example, if that's.

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Albert De Roeck: Possible path, but then you need from Africa yeah it will.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: And I guess Codex be as well, since it is very much closer than this also.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: The I can't imagine that would be the big limitation if anybody can do it, then surely could speak and maybe there are other constraints from that so.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: Good other other questions on the specifics of the transfer, so if not we can start going into the general discussion.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: Okay, feel free to raise your hands or post a mass most um so yeah Thank you again, both to Mr and call for these really nice.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: Talks on these two kind of complimentary.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: directions for for these dedicated detectors it's really nice to see that there's really quite a zoo of possible.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: possible options have been proposed that cover quite a lot of parameters space and I wanted to start by asking.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: in general.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: I guess maybe talking a little bit about the overlap so, for example.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: But they seem to targets and quite different models so it's I guess it's just in the end, just to do with the detector design.

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Carl Gwilliam: I mean s&p ago he was decided to marry for measuring neutrinos and then has to get them so that phase, a.

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Carl Gwilliam: The main phases factor was designed primarily for as a longer particle detector and then something like this had faith in you as an additional upon upon it, I would say facing new is.

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Carl Gwilliam: Somewhat quite similar capacity, it was sad though she's they're really competitors, the only difference, would be the big ones.

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Carl Gwilliam: Like your assets, they do very similar thing but phase of the main body of fazer is really much more dedicated along the case than examples.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: But, for example, since I guess both have some sensitivity both along with particles and neutrinos I guess the question is, is there room for both to exist, and I mean, obviously, if we had unlimited funding and unlimited resources and the answer would be yes, but like is.

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Albert De Roeck: He says.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: Okay.

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Albert De Roeck: I think you're one wanting, for that was really happy.

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Albert De Roeck: So it's it's the focus of the emphasis really different, and then the the new physics, they discuss most the Spice Catherine.

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Albert De Roeck: Catherine experiment, not so much like a Doc for them, that is.

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Albert De Roeck: The thing they have in common is in a way for three hours we mouse where maybe, yes, yes.

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Albert De Roeck: smaller markets that.

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Albert De Roeck: They are they're sufficiently different.

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Albert De Roeck: And if you saying they think the same space, yes, but you know they are one kilometer away from each other for.

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Albert De Roeck: The other way but but yeah okay that's my.

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Michael Albrow: One difference for neutrino physics, is that, even though essentially is just a few mini radians I think it does have a higher relative flux, of the TAO neutrino.

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Michael Albrow: Compared with being at zero degrees yeah.

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Albert De Roeck: So I should add that I mean, so the analogy is have access, so phase two is all nice this and sm the abilities of access, just to catch.

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Albert De Roeck: More of that like what's coming from the town, for example, in particular, that that will be remedies to a large extent, within the space of two when the hospital stephens and they will get much of that, but they do have a complimentary except.

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Albert De Roeck: For dentistry.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: i'm Jose is do you want to make an interventional on this topic, or was it something.

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José Zurita: No, no, I surveyed the topics, I want to go for it.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: No it's fine just to so i'll continue a little bit more on this on this question of of overlap, because, for example, like there's maybe a similar question about.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: Miller cannon for motor but because, if I understood they're both looking for these new charged particles one listen the forward direction one.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: Do maybe provocative question again like to do both needs to be done to have a complimentary enough that we need both to be realized.

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Albert De Roeck: Sorry, to jump in again with.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: Jesus it just.

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Albert De Roeck: So, for most is more like what he has, for now, I would say.

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Albert De Roeck: That the going for a higher rated seconds low amount and the it's like the two groups milliken and for both are the same.

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Albert De Roeck: So this this is almost 100% overlapping people are looking to this and it is indeed the possible questions that instead of having milliken at the place for it is now or in addition to it, we will have for both over their Defense.

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Albert De Roeck: But that is correct, so the discussion, which is still ongoing, at the moment, we would we would say we reserve a slob they have for this process for mosaic or whatever action and there are advantages for sitting right there one is race.

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Albert De Roeck: But the other is the higher Office make compromise.

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Albert De Roeck: But but it's an ongoing discussion it's a valid question which at the moment, we would not altogether if I think it depends for sensitive you've got a range from three.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: yeah cuz, I suppose, what we'll what we'll see in the next few years is maybe this this quite large field of proposals will undergo some thinning and paths and merging and we end up with hopefully a set of complementary detectors actually end up being realized for real.

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Albert De Roeck: yeah absolutely I mean right now, I would say, like tween years ago, we did not know the SPS, for example, really came up to it snowballs mostly and now you see, there is a Community with ideas, and this is the first.

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Albert De Roeck: Order of ideas with you get now, and I think then.

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Albert De Roeck: It will evolve and, of course, on the other side, one has to discuss with your whole is visibility, because it's not for free.

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Carl Gwilliam: I cannot, I mean there's two things here go back to what others are saying, I mean, first of all, I think that the reason you see this kind of.

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Carl Gwilliam: In some cases, and maybe overlapping detective on special moment or is that you know we don't know if the person is if it does there's just see of experiments post for that, but then obviously you have existing and other prisoners to use existing infrastructure so that.

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Carl Gwilliam: It will depending the law on whether fps seems likely to go ahead and that I think when when we know that more it will sort of narrow things down.

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Carl Gwilliam: I think, also for the SPF as you were saying you know, as I did my top the timeline is tight, you know, we want to get something in for.

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Carl Gwilliam: That would also again as we get those studies you bit more realistic assumptions, then things may drop in or.

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Michael Albrow: At 120 meters downstream in front of the tan absorber the tax and behind the lot of the items albers there's a location there, which is four times closer phase and new.

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Michael Albrow: And one wondered about something putting a neutrino detector there, however, one can't put emotions there because it's totally inaccessible.

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Michael Albrow: So the question is and it's question ready to experiment, if one could make an electronic version of emotions, in other words a highly segmented pixel detector maybe with pixel planes.

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Michael Albrow: You know, every every millimeter or so with with files in between the electronic and RAD hard and can live there for a year, at a time, then you could do neutrino physics and because you're for trying to close and faith in you, you have 16 times and solid angle per.

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Carl Gwilliam: square centimeter.

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Michael Albrow: Somebody to think about and I don't know if anybody is thinking about detecting developing a pixel like electronic emotion resolution of emotion, but with pixels that the red heart, I mean that would be an interesting idea, I think.

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Albert De Roeck: So so mine is there is actually thinking about it because the the detector Carl mentioned the advanced SMB in the fbs would not be for would not be foreseen to be taken with the with the vouchers.

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Albert De Roeck: Because somehow in sd we think probably the meal race is going to be too high, anyway, there, and there may be a sweeping magnify that can help but we'd love to see that in fact it's always for that the detector which would join the SPS and then, by extension, reporting.

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Albert De Roeck: What you're mentioning, although this is side arms are a bit difficult to use for for for for other reasons, but anyway that's that's the people there are, and I would say only thinking about it because right now, they were booty for the last few years just installing the detector.

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Carl Gwilliam: And also and.

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Carl Gwilliam: Also, as of yesterday and see if you look carefully at my boss I showed up I didn't mention it.

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Carl Gwilliam: is actually to detectors labeled on that forward and foreign media, so the what was that it's putting the.

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Carl Gwilliam: Right payment was actually have two detectives the forward one being at the SPF and then the other one being like I forget exactly where that somewhere.

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Carl Gwilliam: Around the distance, I think your your your mainstream media 50 meters from the IP and in some particular place I don't remember exactly where I was covering the most officers, I mentioned that.

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Albert De Roeck: The Near me closer to Allah he anything they want with have some overlap with la.

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Albert De Roeck: For the year want to make a cross reference measurements for the for the trauma that that's where where.

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Albert De Roeck: it's it's over.

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Michael Albrow: yeah the initial thoughts of the face and near near detector was at zero degrees, where you you.

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Michael Albrow: If you go to if you go to a few mirror agents, then you go behind all the eye on of the of the quarter falls and diapers which is 50 meters of I am so so.

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Michael Albrow: yeah that that's that's location, that is not the same as the face or near idea which was zero degrees we don't have any absorb it basically until you get to because it's just like being piped and that's where that's where the zero degree color images are right.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: And maybe.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: Since since we only have them to time, maybe it's a good time to to ask the questions I saw that has a you had a hand up somebody that's.

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José Zurita: Good yeah.

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José Zurita: I lower it and not interrupt your.

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José Zurita: Discussions so no I what I wanted to ask, maybe he's slightly unrelated to your point but from the signal physics perspective because so far.

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José Zurita: We have really tried to break some sort of mathematical theorems to show many, many different ways to show number CEO so we see no signal, so we exclude.

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José Zurita: But we are not really discussing as much as they will like signals, so if we do have a direct fought on a life scale of 15 GB that the case where you go like structure and so on.

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José Zurita: How would each of these experiments not only discovered it go running I get the Nobel Prize but say.

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José Zurita: yeah, this is a guy that has been Cedars penguins penguins half the case couples to me or two photos to douse to two electrons.

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José Zurita: To be called to see two decades into a pair of chaos, so I I don't know these are considerations that are being done so it both discovery scenario comparing the capabilities of these experiments, so I don't know, for instance, if.

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José Zurita: I mean, I know that the Medusa you can say, well, if he became he became to be very good to me, once he will see a largest process monitor spreading them in the different layers.

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José Zurita: But I don't know how much this has been done, I mean i'm also part of the sort of a mayor culpa I don't know how much has been done really terms of.

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José Zurita: identifying and saying you know face, I will see Thomas Edison dealing with whichever experiment with the characterization to see.

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José Zurita: I mean, of course, we want to go with something and that's that's the place, but once we get there, can we be in a position where we say.

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José Zurita: There seems to be testing or 16 GB but we don't really know what to do, and then we need to make another round of experiments or on you know we.

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José Zurita: Maybe we'll start repurposing the textures adding more material to because we know that the signal we cannot characterize.

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José Zurita: A soul, so I mean I don't know a quick example would be if you have a two or three GB light kaler it will take a mostly to Kenyans he would mostly be broadly lost in addition cms.

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José Zurita: But other know if you would say yeah OK, so the key to the medicines if you've got the possibility to to discriminate both of them, you know just experiment so honestly I have no clue.

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José Zurita: And, but also, I see no much public workshop in there, I mean, how would this work, how would I say okay there's something here it's an escape or has the mass of five GB blood miners cedar point one plus minus two GB So how will we collect information from from it, but.

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José Zurita: So yeah That was my point that maybe topping for these guys.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: I mean, I think it's a very good thing to bring up because we, we often kind of present the sensitivity in terms of limits, but.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: As you say, it will kind of be a very annoying scenario, if we say various you know we've discovered something, but we have no idea what it is, and then we have to wait another 50 years or so.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: Before we maybe not 50 years, but we have to wait a long period of time before we can characterize it so maybe I guess, we can bounce this question back to the experts in the room, if this is something that's already being thought about within the proposed collaboration.

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Michael Albrow: well.

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Michael Albrow: Can I come in here imagine something a massive 15 GB you don't aware of it right, but it's dark photon it basically the case, as I know, set the same way as a plus or minus.

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Michael Albrow: annihilation event to gamma star at massive 15 GB so you can compare the decays with that.

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Michael Albrow: If it's a heavy neutral tone, then it will have a leading you on or leading electron or eating town, depending on the flavor of the having the intro laptop.

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Michael Albrow: So if you can identify those things, on the other hand, if it's a if it's a higgs and it will decay primer primarily to be the bar.

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Michael Albrow: And then, a little bit to CC bar and so on and so by if you have a few dozen events, and you can compare the different became modes, then you can distinguish.

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Michael Albrow: A duck eggs or dark photon I have any for lipton or actually like particle which go mostly to gamma gamma and sometimes to gamma Ray plus C minus.

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Michael Albrow: But that's about 1% so each of those categories of longer particles have different different game modes and if you if you get a few dozen candidates, you know with.

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Michael Albrow: No background, hopefully, then, then you can do that now, I say no background Okay, so you know, ideally, a 15 G, the thing decaying will decay too many particles not normally just the plus or minus on new pairs and then.

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Michael Albrow: You have a vertex and here key thing is to see if you have backgrounds from neutron interactions make you know, on nuclear and stuff like that which a vacuum decay volume eliminates those things.

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Michael Albrow: So yeah, but if you have one or two or three of us then it's gonna be the how to say what it is, but if you have a few dozen then.

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Michael Albrow: yeah I think we can distinguish them.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: Yes, I mean and and also more generally, I think we'd be in the in the very enviable position of.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: Of.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: Having a discovery on our hands and having a plan that we need to formulate to qualify it further and better and Okay, I think, no one would complain to be in that position, to be fair, even if, even if more work will be required to.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: To understand more in more detail exactly what the properties of this new object would be.

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Michael Albrow: yeah yeah.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: And I say was that you have your hand up for a further question, or is it.

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José Zurita: about the law it's.

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Never.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: You know this is very good point i'm talking about about the kind of results, expect from these detectors I wanted to bring up maybe the.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: The question of all of these proposals or most of them have let's say prototypes or kind of beaters and you know the Codex beats per new business user DEMO.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: And kind of I was kind of inspired by the fact that there's already like a very impressive physics result potentially coming out of phase, a new where.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: We have what seems to be evidence of colliding neutrinos so do do we expect that the.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: The first physics, that we get from the kind of current round of demonstrators and kind of first pass is that these detectives will already be able to beat the Atlas and cms limits for certain models, I guess it's a question further yeah the sector experts directly.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: Or we have to wait until i'm kind of further down the line for them to become competitive without cms.

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Carl Gwilliam: i'm not sure what I can come in on.

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Carl Gwilliam: The cms but certainly.

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Carl Gwilliam: My memory is that.

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Carl Gwilliam: fazer and there are certainly some of the models were some of the face face, there was a six seven.

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Carl Gwilliam: face over there, so these are the models were even with the date of this year, want to break new ground.

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Carl Gwilliam: But obviously we're not exploring as much as there's the full face face, but there are certain areas that even with this year's data will be sensitive areas, so I think already with small amount of data in some of the experiments.

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Carl Gwilliam: This is not for the pro whatever this is for the four phases.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: Because I was thinking, I mean I had in mind as well, like, for example, pro new business or.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: Codex Peter, but because they're so far outside of the of the kind of range that at the cms are constrained by that I could imagine that even having.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: You know, even with a small solid angle, even with a prototype just having even a few you know, a small amount of data from from run three will already allow you to extend the lifetime REACH, considering that.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: With the kind of full dataset were expecting to get very near well not too far from the bbn limit, so I think this is already very exciting, but like maybe we can really expect some competitive physics, to be coming out, even if the data we're taking this year.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: But Okay, this is just my guest so be nice to hear it from.

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Albert De Roeck: You habit of them is over, there are dispersed also there will be a lot of background from failures.

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Albert De Roeck: And that's actually the point of doing this test and seeing what the how could they get rich because, like a zero Sir.

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Albert De Roeck: I think if there would be a huge signal stating, which is really demonstrated mobile identification, I cannot be ignored.

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Albert De Roeck: But I think that is I don't know, maybe somebody from four legs be directly with a study that I can be the chances are very high speed they're constantly with less really sophisticated out and, after all, this is a is a new regime you're looking here.

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Albert De Roeck: At the way yourself.

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Albert De Roeck: For the other slides like a Sunday.

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Albert De Roeck: Paper already mentioned, also the milliken experiments.

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Albert De Roeck: There, the first year's data will be a battle data sets and whatever we had before, for example, for milliken.

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Albert De Roeck: We had already won best limits coming out there, because the the old cms Annapolis will be doing from the demonstrators and this exactly will be bigger and the probably the amount of data and much about the same as what we collected through this first paper also that will be better.

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Albert De Roeck: But when the paper will come out with, and of course I think we take the data that year and the others are also he'll be back with may take a moment to load the lightning the first means to me.

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Albert De Roeck: Is that the different data sets in the other factors, could lead to things which were not observable by the central because this.

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Albert De Roeck: Was the neutrinos, of course, not yet the promissory notes, but the electronic geometry knows it will be impossible for you.

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Emma Torró Pastor: to compliment from the methods left side I don't think we have any.

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Emma Torró Pastor: Real study.

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Emma Torró Pastor: and trying to answer this question, but I would guess, I mean just having one module the the solid angle is going to be so small that.

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Emma Torró Pastor: Unless the LP is really, really boosted and the decay is very limited, I think it would be even be hard to be able to reconstruct all tracks coming from the retake so I don't know I don't think we'd have studies, but I I would think it's really exciting.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: Okay, fair enough important not to get too excited then we'll have to be patient.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: Okay, and I think we have five minutes left so maybe just in the last five minutes, and this is anyone who wants to bring up a particular topic and, if so, then please, please shout but.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: I really liked this this idea of bringing up kind of Okay, what do we do with if there is FCC he takes, what do we do with it.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: And I I personally have never come across this hacker idea before, but I think it's it's really great to see that there are people already thinking about this.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: I mean just one curiosity, if I had is this idea of kind of instrument in the the Kevin This is something that we couldn't possibly do already for that hallelujah lately.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: Because I guess it, you know that it's not new technologies involved it's just Okay, a lot of.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: A lot of kind of tiling the cabin with with instrumented material, but I guess you know, comparing it to the budgets of some of the things we're talking about wouldn't it be possible to already do this sooner than SEC.

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Emma Torró Pastor: I know where you are really.

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Emma Torró Pastor: Thinking about that right because model, for example, is instrumental the LDC recovery and that's already working, and I think and movies, is not that far away from that concept as well.

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Emma Torró Pastor: I think it's a good point on on dsc cases that the government is not smarter than the sector, so you it's like you're extending.

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Emma Torró Pastor: The vector by a real amount so it's not just extending it by a few meters, but by one meter but by maybe I don't know five or six meters from the layer, and the latest layer of.

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Emma Torró Pastor: You know.

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Emma Torró Pastor: I don't know if we have.

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Emma Torró Pastor: more space in the Atlas covering, for example, two things to end on there was.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: No, and I think probably this would cause some difficulties with them.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: arguing with the the Atlas people, but I think the point you raised in you're talking about that, like the idea of already kind of trying to build some of these ideas in from the conception, will make it much easier because in in a lot of cases here we're trying to retrofit.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: sensitivity to lps, whereas it will be much easier if we'd have known in advance, so this is something of course means bear in mind.

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Carl Gwilliam: it's I think it's safe it's cheap, the main detector for the SEC SEC, not just the cabin walls and stuff we really think there may be not enough people the SEC looking at how we can really.

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Carl Gwilliam: The main detective actual yes.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: that's an excellent point right, we always say that cms notice we're not designed for a little piece, so we have to think creatively to be sensitive to them, but.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: I guess the FCC detectors if you know if they realized do allow us to correct for that that blind spot that we built in by accident detectors.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: there's always going to be balanced.

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Carl Gwilliam: The main character is.

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Carl Gwilliam: heavily.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: yeah but.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: Equally, this time around, we don't have necessarily a strong reason to believe that susie would be around the corner, this is maybe something.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: That could occupy a higher proportion of our collective brain cycles, I mean I think i'm preaching to the converted here, of course, but so something to bear in mind.

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Juliette Alimena: Maybe I can jump in on it to just to say that in my talk at the FCC week.

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Juliette Alimena: Tomorrow, one of my points for will be that you know let's start making these general purpose detectors with lps in mind, from the start, and this, I mean, of course, this is a point that has come up before but i'll i'll make it again.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: Okay.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: So I think we're coming to the end of the time we have available for this discussion, but I, I think we do still have time for any other questions that anyone might have.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: Okay, in that case Thank you everyone, for I think was a really useful session and productive discussion afterwards and as as was mentioned, we do have also some lightning Round talks on specific detectors.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: And developments have happened in the last six months, so.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: Do also check out those and Okay, I think, in that case we can end the session on time and i'll share, and we can take a break that was scheduled for.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: Let me just see.

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James Beacham (he/him): 15 minutes 15 minutes that's right.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: Exactly Bingo.

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James Beacham (he/him): nicely on time.

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Louie Dartmoor Corpe: All right, thank you, everybody bye.