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<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000"><u><strong>Minutes for Regional Operations Meeting DECH (May 4th, 2007)</strong></u></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">Attendance:<br>
Sven Hermann &lt;chair&gt;, Clemens Koerdt, Andreas Heiss (FZK)<br>
Alessandro Usai (CSCS)<br>
Andreas Haupt, Kai Leffhalm (DESY-ZN)<br>
John Kennedy (LRZ)<br>
Renate Dohmen (MPPMU)<br>
Kläre Cassirer, Horst Schwichtenberg (SCAI)</font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">Apologies:<br>
(Uni Wuppertal)<br>
(RWTH-Aachen)<br>
(Uni Freiburg)<br>
(ITWM)</font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">Missing:<br>
(Uni Dortmund)<br>
(GSI)<br>
(DESY-HH)<br>
(Uni Karlsruhe)<br>
(Uni Siegen)</font></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000"><strong>1. Introduction</strong></font></p>
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    <li>
    <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">Last     meetings minutes: no comments</font></p>
    </li>
</ul>
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    <li>
    <div>
    <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000"><strong>Announcements:</strong></font></p>
    </div>
    </li>
</ul>
<ul>
    <ul>
        <li>
        <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">Volunteer         PPS sites wanted for SRM 2.2. (currently DESY and FZK)</font></p>
        </li>
        <li>
        <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">CIC         portal has email notification system for SAM alarms, feel free to         use it!</font></p>
        </li>
        <li>
        <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">Few         production updates</font></p>
        <ul>
            <li>
            <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">22:             VOMS service, YAIM, LB bug fixes</font></p>
            </li>
            <li>
            <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">23:             edg-mkgridmap, DGAS logging, lcg-info command updated with new             functionalities, new VOMS certifications updates </font>             </p>
            </li>
        </ul>
        </li>
        <li>
        <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">PPS         update 28</font></p>
        </li>
        <li>
        <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">Conference         coming week: OGF/User Forum in Manchester</font></p>
        </li>
        <li>
        <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">New         site in region: UNI-SIEGEN-HEP now fully certified</font></p>
        </li>
        <li>
        <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">Keep         timeslot of this conference (only a few sites responded)</font></p>
        </li>
    </ul>
</ul>
<ul>
    <li>
    <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000"><strong>Action     Items:</strong></font></p>
    </li>
</ul>
<ul>
    <ul>
        <li>
        <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000"><strong>PPS certification</strong> (get info         system and SAM tests working: #! GSI, ITWM)<br>
        -&gt; ITWM - no         update, GSI now passing SAM tests. OPEN.</font></p>
        </li>
    </ul>
</ul>
<ul>
    <ul>
        <li>
        <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000"><strong>Dech         VO</strong>: Now only recently certified sites LRZ and Uni Siegen not         supporting Dech VO. <br>
        -&gt; LRZ needs a couple of weeks, Uni         Siegen is yet to be informed (#C.K.) </font>         </p>
        </li>
        <li>
        <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">Create         a <strong>criteria catalog</strong> to classify MW update in "major"         and "minor" ones to warn site admins regionally in         advance, to better advise smaller sites <br>
        <strong>-</strong>&gt; see DECH         Wiki entry (link on agenda page). Please contribute! To be agreed         next meeting. (CERN now also specifying service updates as well).         OPEN.</font></p>
        </li>
    </ul>
</ul>
<blockquote>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">AU: New updates that require downtimes should be grouped in order to reduce overall downtimes<br>
SH: Release team is already respecting this. This criteria catalog is for our region only to make sites more aware of the issues.</font></p>
</blockquote>
<ul>
    <ul>
        <li>
        <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000"><strong>Coordination         meeting T1-T2</strong> concerning storage/transfers to be organized? -&gt;         </font>         </p>
        <ul>
            <li>
            <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">Andreas             Heiss: Concerning discussions on use cases, sharing information,             we are already in contact with Feichtinger. Is there a need for             more discussions?</font>              </p>
            </li>
        </ul>
        </li>
    </ul>
    <li>
    <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">Alessandro:     Well perhaps no need for extra meeting, but currently experiencing     transfer problems CSCS-FZK. When it comes to planning would be     helpful to know how experiments want to distribute the amount of     data to the different T2s</font></p>
    <ul>
        <ul>
            <li>
            <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">Andreas             Heiss: At FZK we have the same problem, the way data is             distributed is planned by experiments. One could have a look at             their computing models, but they tend to change them...</font></p>
            </li>
            <li>
            <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">Alessandro:             Particular questions are: How many pools do we need? How many hot             files should we expect (that need to be close to the WN)? </font>             </p>
            </li>
            <li>
            <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">Andreas             Heiss: There is actually a working group at CERN to work out             concepts for T1 storage management. Might be helpful also for T2s.             Will contact them (#A.He.)<br>
            (We might also expect experiments to             wanting access to raw data once the physics has started.)</font></p>
            </li>
            <li>
            <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">John             Kennedy: What concerns ATLAS get in contact with me. We can talk             about this </font>             </p>
            </li>
        </ul>
    </ul>
    </li>
</ul>
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<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000"><strong>2. Round the Sites</strong></font></p>
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    <li>
    <div>
    <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000"><strong>CSCS</strong></font></p>
    </div>
    </li>
</ul>
<ul>
    <ul>
        <li>
        <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">Increased         again our number of CPUs</font></p>
        </li>
        <li>
        <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">Currently         employing two thumpers for our dCache installation</font></p>
        </li>
        <li>
        <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">Production         running fine </font>         </p>
        </li>
        <li>
        <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">All         our WNs are on SL4,</font></p>
        </li>
        <li>
        <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">Atlas         reports problem of not being able to install more software -&gt;         still under investigating</font></p>
        </li>
        <li>
        <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">CMS         also experiencing problems with tools to update experiment software</font></p>
        </li>
        <li>
        <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">There         was a problem with the NorduGrid branch –&gt; migration         to more powerful machine</font></p>
        </li>
        <li>
        <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">DCache         bit of problem: transfers from Karlsruhe often failing, have to         understand why</font></p>
        </li>
        <li>
        <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">Next         week will update to the most recent dCache patches</font></p>
        </li>
        <li>
        <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">Might         see improvements then...</font></p>
        </li>
        <li>
        <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">Discussing         need of more hardware for storage.</font></p>
        </li>
    </ul>
</ul>
<blockquote>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">AH: Star FTS channels changed to copy mode. (No feedback from Derek Feichtinger yet)</font></p>
</blockquote> <blockquote>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">AU: Failure rate still too high</font></p>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">---</font></p>
</div>
<ul>
    <li>
    <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000"><strong><font color="#000000">DESY<br>
    </font></strong>(No     information received)</font></p>
    </li>
</ul>
<div>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">---</font></p>
</div>
<ul>
    <li>
    <div>
    <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000"><strong>DESY-ZN</strong></font></p>
    </div>
    </li>
</ul>
<ul>
    <ul>
        <li>
        <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">Production         running smoothly</font></p>
        </li>
        <li>
        <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">Some         problems when transferring files from Karlsruhe</font></p>
        <ul>
            <li>
            <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">E.g.:             error file exists</font></p>
            </li>
            <li>
            <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">A.He:             should be fixed with the next transfer version</font></p>
            </li>
            <li>
            <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">A.Ha:             the files are actually transferred correctly but then FTS does not             recognize them!?!</font></p>
            </li>
            <li>
            <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">Is             our older 1.6.6 dCache version the reason?</font></p>
            </li>
            <li>
            <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">Plan             to upgrade to 1.7. (Looking for support from experienced             admins...)</font></p>
            </li>
        </ul>
        </li>
    </ul>
</ul>
<div>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">---</font></p>
</div>
<ul>
    <li>
    <div>
    <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000"><strong>FZK</strong></font></p>
    </div>
    </li>
</ul>
<ul>
    <ul>
        <li>
        <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">DCache         new patch 35 on gridftp doors. for headnode downtime necessary</font></p>
        </li>
        <li>
        <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">Quite         stable last week (still experiencing about one timeout a day,         however...)</font></p>
        </li>
        <li>
        <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">The         number of failing connections to sam-bdii.cern.ch went down a lot</font></p>
        </li>
        <li>
        <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">CE-fixed         inconsistency in queues reported after IS update</font></p>
        </li>
        <li>
        <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">dCache         1.8beta (SRM 2.2) in PPS</font></p>
        </li>
        <li>
        <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">Updated         APEL RPMs, waiting for some statistics </font>         </p>
        </li>
    </ul>
</ul>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">---  </font></p>
<ul>
    <li>
    <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000"><strong><font color="#000000">GSI<br>
    </font></strong>(No     information received)</font></p>
    </li>
</ul>
<div>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">---</font></p>
</div>
<ul>
    <li>
    <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000"><strong><font color="#000000">ITWM<br>
    </font></strong>(No     information received)</font></p>
    </li>
</ul>
<div>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">---</font></p>
</div>
<ul>
    <li>
    <div>
    <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000"><strong>LRZ</strong></font></p>
    </div>
    </li>
</ul>
<ul>
    <ul>
        <li>
        <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">Managed         to loose some files on dCache pools</font></p>
        </li>
        <li>
        <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">Looking         into this</font></p>
        </li>
    </ul>
</ul>
<div>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">---</font></p>
</div>
<ul>
    <li>
    <div>
    <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000"><strong>MPPMU</strong></font></p>
    </div>
    </li>
</ul>
<ul>
    <ul>
        <li>
        <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">Problem         with SGE support still open</font></p>
        </li>
        <li>
        <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">LRZ         site does not have the same problems despite their similarities</font></p>
        </li>
        <li>
        <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">Will         work together on that </font>         </p>
        </li>
    </ul>
</ul>
<div>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">---</font></p>
</div>
<ul>
    <li>
    <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000"><strong><font color="#000000">RWTH</font></strong><br>
    </font><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">(No     information received)</font></p>
    </li>
</ul>
<div>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">---</font></p>
</div>
<ul>
    <li>
    <div>
    <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000"><strong>SCAI</strong></font></p>
    </div>
    </li>
</ul>
<ul>
    <ul>
        <li>
        <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">Businesses         as usual</font></p>
        </li>
        <li>
        <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">CE         problem : a staling old job blocked new jobs for few days (now         deleted)</font></p>
        </li>
        <li>
        <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">Running         again fine</font></p>
        </li>
    </ul>
</ul>
<div>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial">---</font></p>
</div>
<ul>
    <li>
    <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000"><strong><font color="#000000">Uni     Dortmund<br>
    </font></strong>(No information received)</font></p>
    </li>
</ul>
<div>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">---</font></p>
</div>
<ul>
    <li>
    <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000"><strong><font color="#000000">Uni     Freiburg<br>
    </font></strong>(No information received)</font></p>
    </li>
</ul>
<div>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial">---</font></p>
</div>
<ul>
    <li>
    <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000"><strong><font color="#000000">Uni     Karlsruhe<br>
    </font></strong>(No information received)</font></p>
    </li>
</ul>
<div>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial">---</font></p>
</div>
<ul>
    <li>
    <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000"><strong><font color="#000000">Uni     Siegen<br>
    </font></strong>(No information received)</font></p>
    </li>
</ul>
<div>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial">---</font></p>
</div>
<ul>
    <li>
    <p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000"><strong><font color="#000000">Uni     Wuppertal<br>
    </font></strong>(No information received)</font></p>
    </li>
</ul>
<div>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial">---</font></p>
</div>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000"><strong>3. Feedback to the TCG<br>
<br>
</strong>Horst: sent questionnaire to partners involved (S.H. and K.S.) awaiting their feedback</font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial"><br>
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<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000"><strong><font color="#000000">4. COD</font></strong></font>  </p>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">Next COD shift will be during the week of 7.-14.5.</font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000"><br>
</font> </p>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000"><strong>5. ROC-On-Duty</strong></font></p>
<div>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">Handover FZK to SCAI</font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">FZK: no specific points for feedback</font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">No questions from SCAI</font></p>
</div>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">SH: Statistics: 46 tickets were created and 53 tickets solved during the last two weeks.</font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000"><br>
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</font> </p>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000"><strong>6. AOB</strong></font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">HS: Our regional middleware support group: is there a policy on who is actually responsible for a ticket?<br>
SH: Anybody seeing solution (or seeing himself as an expert) should assign ticket to himself. If nobody can be found forward the ticket to an appropriate expert support unit.<br>
There was an agreement on that some time ago (try to find the mail and forward it to Horst)</font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">AU: Any news when the lcg CE will no longer be supported, because of its replacement by the gLite CE?  </font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000">SH: The update is that ceasing support for that in June will probably not be possible. In an Operations Meeting in March (<a href="http://indico.cern.ch/conferenceDisplay.py?confId=13619">http://indico.cern.ch/conferenceDisplay.py?confId=13619</a>) Ian Bird has presented a criteria catalog for the gCE and also the WMS, which specifies the requirements needed for those services to replace the old LCG counterparts.</font></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000"><br>
</font> </p>
<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000"><strong>Next meeting will be on the 1st of June:</strong></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" face="Arial" color="#000000"><a href="http://indico.cern.ch/conferenceDisplay.py?confId=11588"><strong><font color="#000000">http://indico.cern.ch/conferenceDisplay.py?confId=11588</font></strong></a></font></p>
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