IT_600-R-002: Okay, so they were where everybody everybody's here, so we have welcome everybody, this is the first time we meet, as I told you my in a message in the IT department.
IT_600-R-002: They are you know after the last night that we have in verbalize that happened, very recently, so there are these activities around a business engagement.
IT_600-R-002: Which is basically an exercise on the it side to figure out what our user communities, they need to see what we are providing for them and see how they.
IT_600-R-002: Forcing they're competing niche in the future, I mean that kind of framework to have been assigned to the role of running meetings with a theory department.
IT_600-R-002: Where we will go over what you already have, and you will they, let us know what you want, so actually in this meeting, I want to hear you talking more than anyone else.
IT_600-R-002: And we have to get to know each other, there are some of you that I already know, I already know, Elena.
IT_600-R-002: But I do know everyone, so I suggest that we go around the table, they are separate ourselves so that we get to know each other and what is our role in this meeting, so my name is Maria Hello you already know, because we made you so I started on let's go ahead with going.
IT_600-R-002: Going going what comes.
After.
The htc and batch service possible.
IT_600-R-002: Okay, so let's move on, then ELENA.
Elena Gianolio: hello, so I mean I think everybody know me and i'm just the link between the cheery and the it department to so.
IT_600-R-002: Okay.
IT_600-R-002: And then, Alexander.
Alexander Yohei Huss: Yes, hi i'm Alexander i'm an ld stuff here at seven Th and together with la night and chaos, I am part of the theory computing committee.
Alexander Yohei Huss: So we we kind of have to support or more direct link to the to the physics part from ELENA in a sense, I would say.
Okay.
IT_600-R-002: We only have left.
Andreas Juttner: yeah hi i'm Andrea Vietnam, he had served on the lds for since a year and i'm also understand comedies ELENA and address and my my particular personal interest in lattice to do so large scale hbc applications.
IT_600-R-002: Okay, good I mean there are other people that might in the future will during these meetings like chubby.
IT_600-R-002: chubby spl that he's currently on holly this will be excused himself and then maybe we might bring a lot of other people, which are involved in the value services that are provided to the theory department, as we.
IT_600-R-002: As I said before, I mean the purpose of his with his to get to know each other and then to identify what are the theory.
IT_600-R-002: department coming completing needs as he's describing the agenda that bodybuilding immediately and, by the way, I mean, I will be.
IT_600-R-002: Building again that's ratio is meetings, and I expect everybody to do it as much as they can be okay, and these are open document that you can try to modify anyone Okay, and then.
IT_600-R-002: Is there anyone else, that the people that you see how to see this invitation, they should be involved on the theory which.
Elena Gianolio: I think the idea was also to involve the care your money back, I guess, his accent.
Alexander Yohei Huss: Okay, well, I mean I can keep him in the loop so that's fine.
yeah.
Elena Gianolio: Okay.
IT_600-R-002: Keep other people for yourselves for the show, let me know the names, they will receive an invitation.
Andreas Juttner: yeah so I mean, I have to, I have to establish this meeting, where the series of meetings is going, and then we may just pull other people on board that may have a particular interest.
Andreas Juttner: Okay.
IT_600-R-002: And then for communications over it, I mean, I believe that the email is enough everybody do we should we can make a move of the channels, I mean, of course.
IT_600-R-002: Some of you already user things like you know, which is the dollar ticket is under WiFi answer, and you know, do you know this, but I mean.
IT_600-R-002: He had this meeting is not so much to go through as big as my mother more to know to get the overall picture of what we're providing to you.
IT_600-R-002: And she took a stance, when we are providing to you what you need and also, of course, for you to share with us, what do you think that will be leaving the future and, of course, if there are any issue.
IT_600-R-002: With a service that we're providing to you, I mean that the governor status of the facilities as far as I could understand myself is what i've been gathering in the.
IT_600-R-002: In the in the agenda itself, so there is actually accordion the documents that again, I invite you to update a modified and correct that is trying to least.
IT_600-R-002: One you already have.
IT_600-R-002: I mean, this is a document that open here as well, so here I mean there are kind of three important blocks on one side there is the hbc facilities.
IT_600-R-002: And, of course, or do like any other users that use the dinner propose a PC facility, and on top of that, and you have one that is an SPC facility that is dedicated to like these huge ad.
IT_600-R-002: And then I understand because, having talking with the people that probably have who told you that there is also some interest.
IT_600-R-002: On on having in the future, an SPC facility using gpus i'm connected with infinity bank, I know that there are some ideas there until examples of the things that you might need in the future, like these.
IT_600-R-002: system that they are using the University of Edinburgh and I understand that there is basically Andreas that is kind of dragging the sexual one lead.
IT_600-R-002: Is that right yeah.
Andreas Juttner: yeah that's right, so we are, we are, we have broadened our view a bit so actually today and tomorrow will be benchmarking amd Milan, as an alternative, set up.
Andreas Juttner: To the gpu setup which might be more versatile than we have to see flops per dollar, but that is in the presence of the Internet yeah.
OK.
IT_600-R-002: OK OK OK OK.
IT_600-R-002: And then.
IT_600-R-002: We will be keeping us up to date with that those are specs and let us know at some point, what is the status of it is it Okay, for you.
yeah okay.
IT_600-R-002: Then, what else, then, of course, I mean the very bottom, there are many to the New Zealand is plus everyday.
IT_600-R-002: standard for a loading dock the service, where they log in and they let populations, they do the processing before so within the bad jobs or Jordan support.
IT_600-R-002: So that's something that is there and it's something that I understand has been recently kind of increase because there is an English class node with a very big memory that has been made available for some of you.
IT_600-R-002: yeah yeah.
IT_600-R-002: Okay.
Alexander Yohei Huss: yeah so i've been testing it and also asking couple of the fellows to try it out so far, the feedback is very good, I personally still have some issues with my ticket expiring in T Max, but I am asking the other store so try it out, but other than that.
yeah.
Alexander Yohei Huss: that's sorry I didn't quite understand you are Christian.
IT_600-R-002: Just just keep in touch with Steve about it.
Alexander Yohei Huss: Yes, I will do that.
yeah I mean.
IT_600-R-002: yeah i'm sure that I understand is not all the users in the 30 department, but as.
IT_600-R-002: They have access to the facility only a subset of them, and that is any group that is actually under your control so if you are deciding who are the people in the in the theater department that I will be using these additional advocating note.
That.
IT_600-R-002: What is that there.
Elena Gianolio: Is no side, I was just mistreating yeah.
IT_600-R-002: I mean this is we don't know what are the.
IT_600-R-002: Different user profiles that you have in this area, the battery so we understand their that you do know who are the people in the department that would be benefiting most of these larger this node with flash memory, so that we completely rely on you, adding the right people to that.
IT_600-R-002: so that they can access this.
Andreas Juttner: But maybe one question is what would be the President if there's a new new State use case that we feel as being catered for, who would be the best person on your side to get in touch with.
IT_600-R-002: me I imagine that should be.
IT_600-R-002: I use case.
Andreas Juttner: Meeting okay.
I mean it means.
IT_600-R-002: That you know already like bright spots, I guess drop a note to this meeting, but what shortcut to go.
Right.
Andreas Juttner: Okay.
Andreas Juttner: Thank you.
IT_600-R-002: Julie Jewish something to be brought in this meeting and, by the way, you can start preparing the use case by modifying that please document that we are really right now.
IT_600-R-002: What i'm describing receiving their way up so under cannot follow facilities are all the concerns to do going to start right in there again have a stronger regional use case that you're looking at.
IT_600-R-002: A future meeting will discuss about it is that, as soon as soon as you do, or you think you know you go, you have something coming up in, and let us know we can start looking for.
Andreas Juttner: Okay, thanks.
IT_600-R-002: OK, and then of course you're also big users of the batches everything you know service.
IT_600-R-002: And then, as well the theory users or some of them at least they have access to one big Member one terabyte memory notes that are available there.
IT_600-R-002: And then he actually match them they provided abroad, of the use that has been done, of the maturity by the theory department, which is something that I have really good.
Coming.
Now.
IT_600-R-002: So boring okay So there you go.
IT_600-R-002: So this is this tangible, I mean I don't know if you want to describe this.
Nothing very exciting shows that.
It.
shows it shows the number of running dogs.
IT_600-R-002: Running yeah but this approach.
IT_600-R-002: Which are focusing on the theory the bottom and, yes, he does.
yeah she's making the link the link provided with people yeah.
IT_600-R-002: So anyway, he says, this is something for you to look at and see if you're happy with a position that is done by user So you see that something is lacking or that they will be using they should need to use different, it is up to you.
IT_600-R-002: And then.
Elena Gianolio: Sorry.
Yes.
Elena Gianolio: Also for this, I believe that, too, we have a sort of monitoring know who can use it.
I.
IT_600-R-002: think there is on the TV.
Elena Gianolio: executive.
Elena Gianolio: there's any group, for that is among Tina the nominees maintain it automatically with the I think with everybody from cheering and some exception in case of collaborators.
IT_600-R-002: Okay, I mean so.
IT_600-R-002: I mean the users that can use those big men note in the batches that are they the same that should be using the big English class node.
Or the woman.
Elena Gianolio: Is they they Alex plus.
Elena Gianolio: lighting loader yeah that is a subset.
Of the.
IT_600-R-002: Show so we do we keep them separately individually looks.
IT_600-R-002: A lot to it.
IT_600-R-002: I guess.
IT_600-R-002: yeah that's good so having will be in a loop that he said used to practice to the book mela notes in batch.
IT_600-R-002: Okay, so that is basically and then is there are facilities, all the concerns that we another one off so again, we expect you to do to gather information about emotion and reporting here, I guess, I mean maybe you already have something to say now, or else we can have a summer.
IT_600-R-002: Then, what else yeah one of the things that I understand that you have it, you have any to use gpus and I, that is something as well, that is already available in the batch system.
IT_600-R-002: Where some gpus are available and here you have abroad, of the US that have been done since the beginning of the year by the.
IT_600-R-002: theory the vitamin of those are the gpu resourcing the batch system is divided usually at the bottom I you know if.
IT_600-R-002: Their decision that has been done by the theory the bottom is the one of these, because you cannot get more hole of gpu resources or because that is what you need and nothing else, this is, this is what you do, let us know.
Alexander Yohei Huss: yeah so one issue that we encountered with the gpus on the batch queue is memory requirements so some people here, try to do some machine learning and then.
Alexander Yohei Huss: If I recall correctly, I think the way you allocate memory is that by call you get two gigabytes then, if you do want to do something with training that is not anywhere near.
Alexander Yohei Huss: enough to do this so and then the solution that was proposed as well just ask for more costs and then you will naturally get costs time two gigabytes but then you end up in the queue forever.
Alexander Yohei Huss: So ultimately somehow the people did not manage to use the gpu resources on the bench and went to some other desktop machine have another Institute to do these things so that was one issue that was raised to me that somehow requesting memory, with the gpu notice the castle and.
Alexander Yohei Huss: yeah.
yeah.
Seeing if you can delegate something.
IT_600-R-002: Because.
IT_600-R-002: We also have a new deliberative gpu survey one hundreds when.
And where to allocate it to.
Maybe a couple of machine that have one on one or two things that.
Have any machine will be useful to have dedicated.
IT_600-R-002: How many how many machines.
IT_600-R-002: I mean I haven't reached that is not a number of machines I they need, they need a given ratio between ios and memory of one machine with dedicated to.
IT_600-R-002: You yeah then of course it will be your answer that's that's the way to.
Alexander Yohei Huss: Go.
IT_600-R-002: No, no, no, no, the machine Sasha what is, what is the ratio of memory that you will need for but usually I need to do your work.
Alexander Yohei Huss: I can ask around I wasn't.
Alexander Yohei Huss: Doing this calculation, this was just something that was brought up with me.
IT_600-R-002: When they try and.
Alexander Yohei Huss: send a struggle getting the calculations through.
Alexander Yohei Huss: Added to the doctor and yeah.
IT_600-R-002: Okay, so let me try to grab on your side, what is the ratio of you know, give you a lot of memory, but give you that you need for your work and then right here, in the end, and then we'll see how that would be translating translating into number of machines which are.
Alexander Yohei Huss: OK, I will do that.
Andreas Juttner: I could also add something to the gpu we have a huge interest in gpu as was mentioned earlier that's that's the lattice quantum field theory side.
Andreas Juttner: But we would also need several deep use accessible note connected via and we link and then going beyond I mean we don't do high throughput computing We really do a high high performance computing the sense that we need.
Andreas Juttner: A very strong network connecting these individual nodes to be sensible setup so are any of these new age 1800s that are being prepared in such a setup or are they old to us individually.
IT_600-R-002: I need to check out into the.
IT_600-R-002: system, the system comes with it we're.
not sure.
Andreas Juttner: Because the the the setup that we have in Edinburgh, it is in fact a single node has, for instance for so there's an amd epic.
Andreas Juttner: Or to actually on each node than they are for a 114 and then every node has actually for network interface, so, in any event network interface to communicate and that is the luxurious setup but.
Andreas Juttner: We would need something similar at least a very good connection or for a 100, I guess, they are 100 180.
Andreas Juttner: Such a node if it had invested in me link would already be extremely intense interesting for us, but even better if they had a very strong network interconnect amongst the various nodes.
IT_600-R-002: Certainly, new news we have our.
IT_600-R-002: it's fully 100 on the system on each.
IT_600-R-002: Year to say I need to check whether the.
They will then be willing or able to just put in the 10 pounds.
Andreas Juttner: And then I.
I think a lot.
IT_600-R-002: Okay.
Andreas Juttner: But what Andrea said, is, I think it makes it if it's really only two gigabyte per a one well contribute that that that's really not sound.
Andreas Juttner: I mean that we can't do anything with it Okay, I must be effect of a large factor, more than two gigabyte.
IT_600-R-002: Looking at dedicated machine.
I.
Andreas Juttner: mean because we've.
not been able to get yes.
Andreas Juttner: Yes, because we used to we used to cpu and then basically bb the outsource stuff on the gpu, but we still do a lot of stuff on the on the cto so it's it's really a combined system, and therefore the cpu needs a good chunk of memory.
IT_600-R-002: I will check and get back to you know, to mention yes for my education, so this is the new knowledge that who will be getting to replace the current facility that they're using to.
IT_600-R-002: know these are these are new new gq systems, our lives we've got 72 accounts over 18 systems and we're deciding this weekend, where they should go, so if we have a good use case.
Andreas Juttner: And when When are they supposed to arrive.
IT_600-R-002: We have arrived already.
IT_600-R-002: Okay we're good deciding whether to go through, we will be split them between our batch things really close and.
IT_600-R-002: i'm Cuban 80s.
Andreas Juttner: Okay cool.
IT_600-R-002: Okay i'm just.
IT_600-R-002: showing you will gather that information and then so we just got here discussing the best leads now.
IT_600-R-002: Okay, and then what we're going to the initial interviews.
IT_600-R-002: And we have already over the weekend anything only deals with the recording then it makes them, you have to.
IT_600-R-002: Go to best use them for the department and then yeah they start to show a point activities for me long term plans, what do you have in mind coming very soon saw this thing about using our resources.
IT_600-R-002: resources and then they also they need that you might have.
IT_600-R-002: architectures and i'm 64.
Andreas Juttner: X i'm not sure.
Andreas Juttner: i'm not sure it's only me but it's very hard to understand you guys, is it is it only be the day I think it's the acoustics of the room.
IT_600-R-002: You.
Elena Gianolio: know, the fact is that there is an echo in the room, and we can hardly hear you.
IT_600-R-002: I needed.
Elena Gianolio: Nothing the sense of that, then you have another machine with the microphone on is just.
IT_600-R-002: mute these mugs.
Elena Gianolio: i'm sorry.
No.
I knew I knew.
Andreas Juttner: Oh, I think that microphone is OK, but I think somehow they're filtering or whatever the electronics behind making.
Andreas Juttner: It sounds like you're sitting in a big room without any anything that could stop at the sound.
Elena Gianolio: Now we cannot.
IT_600-R-002: hear that's better.
Andreas Juttner: that's better for me.
Elena Gianolio: Okay okay.
IT_600-R-002: We also, we also have to shout out with more OK.
IT_600-R-002: OK OK yeah so I mean we're talking about started with ongoing activities meet long term plans that you may have.
IT_600-R-002: You like it to these three icons kind of their cloud resources they use of resources in commercial cloud, and then, however, government through with ID attending that I understand you're looking at, yes, so there's the.
sort of separate separate from what we might have aligned with ease of use these systems, with hundreds there's this.
there's this discussion with needles about purchasing.
IT_600-R-002: 4100s with envy link and if any band, because for sure the new systems that have just arrived don't have any band between between the nodes yeah so that is really the only for you.
To discuss that with meals.
IT_600-R-002: Okay.
Andreas Juttner: So that would be 48 100 within the band.
IT_600-R-002: Sorry, the sensory systems that have arrived.
IT_600-R-002: Are we have 72 everybody 22 cards operating systems.
IT_600-R-002: for cars per system and, as I said, I will check we have envy link, but for sure they don't have enough any band and just an individual systems.
IT_600-R-002: Okay.
IT_600-R-002: And then, and then the so if it makes sense, we could get one of those.
If we have any wings.
IT_600-R-002: And then we discussed we continue the discussion, I guess, with news about the about whether we can get.
A bigger cluster within within finney been.
Andreas Juttner: Okay, that that might be executive discussion i've been having with nails for.
Andreas Juttner: Okay, I.
IT_600-R-002: couldn't be here today because he's on holidays now yeah.
But, but he will be here in nashville insurance yeah.
IT_600-R-002: And then yeah so that's more or less everything we have to say on our side.
Regarding future needs is there anything that you have in mind that we are not aware of.
Elena Gianolio: I have something to add to this point, I don't know if you are already aware of i'm not sure.
Elena Gianolio: What people are very often asking me if it is possible, is concerning mathematica so it will be great I didn't know about it, but apparently some university can get infinite online licenses.
Elena Gianolio: Because if they people are running jobs in parallel and then each mathematical job need a license and they can really reach the maximum license that Sam can provide.
Elena Gianolio: I think at the moment they are something like at around 80 licenses so I I tried to ask about this and I go to bed refuse about it.
Elena Gianolio: In this a sensor some comments and he told me, I think we have enough compared to other software, but I don't think this is a very constructive answer.
Elena Gianolio: If they need it is isn't this a science, I think we should provide yeah and I would like to keep this discussion going on not just that you know refuse and say, do you have you can use something else so that's my understanding is that you would like it to.
IT_600-R-002: Go back to mathematica and she will be possible to get an academic places were saying.
Elena Gianolio: That would be great so that would be the ideal solution.
Elena Gianolio: What I understood, until now, but again I don't know how much this point was this really discuss it or what just refuse it.
Elena Gianolio: They say that the sun is not considered as an academic institution, but as it was for other.
Elena Gianolio: Organizations maybe we can we can really try to go in this direction.
IT_600-R-002: yeah I mean I i'm sure that they have a fraud that possibility in the past when.
IT_600-R-002: I was never involved in any way.
IT_600-R-002: But to turn this on the et licenses at the moment.
Elena Gianolio: As far as I understood the recently, yes, a little bit maybe more like 86 so.
I need you find you find.
IT_600-R-002: Sometimes or often that is not sufficient.
Elena Gianolio: This is a doctor yes yeah okay so.
Alexander Yohei Huss: Calculations set up the cluster they are they require mathematica right, and then they very quickly hit the limit of the licenses once in do calculations that that requires a mathematical Colonel okay.
IT_600-R-002: I mean you know when we're talking with commercial companies are trying to get an academic kind of license free of charge mm hmm well, of course.
Alexander Yohei Huss: They can always say no, you don't get it, but one has to have some means to.
IT_600-R-002: convince them that it will be nice for us to get an academic license something that has worked in the past.
IT_600-R-002: Was would probably with commercial companies is kind of telling them that we are also looking at.
IT_600-R-002: Open Source replacement for it, I mean I don't know, in the case of mathematica saying something like we're looking at updates and maybe we jump into using of a widely unless that we get an academy license for mathematica.
IT_600-R-002: This is something completely.
IT_600-R-002: Nonsense or something that we could say.
Alexander Yohei Huss: i'm afraid mathematica as a tool is very deeply anchored to everyday work and Th.
Alexander Yohei Huss: don't think people will be switching to anything else because entire tools and frameworks have been written for mathematica specifically that everyone uses.
IT_600-R-002: But that is, that is something that that is reality, but that doesn't help us so much associated with them.
IT_600-R-002: We.
fully.
Alexander Yohei Huss: If it's a blog.
Elena Gianolio: You can always try as soon as you don't ask.
Elena Gianolio: A physicist to to provide to confirm your name.
yeah.
IT_600-R-002: We can we can measure kind of odd, and we are looking at, but it doesn't mean that it will be unusual for you, because.
Andreas Juttner: I feel they know they know very well what they're doing and that there's no alternative.
Elena Gianolio: But anyway, what will be also interesting that I never managed to get to know if they don't want you to give us for.
Elena Gianolio: For free or whatever, how much does it cost to have it, this is something I never understood and nobody never.
Elena Gianolio: told me yeah because we can also evaluate if the cost is.
Alexander Yohei Huss: Justified here.
Elena Gianolio: yeah it's justified in case, so we really would like to go in this direction, more.
IT_600-R-002: Academic licenses is usually they they use as an argument that the only if academic licenses to places that are kind of.
IT_600-R-002: Delivering degrees on these kind of things which is not the case at 10 but i'm sure that in the theory division, there are many people that are working on the PhDs and this kind of thing so.
it's something that could music.
Elena Gianolio: On this, is that a surcharge.
Elena Gianolio: basis.
Andreas Juttner: So.
Andreas Juttner: I I simply don't notice, but as a question is it for these parallel applications could this other cloud providers were you when you need many mathematica course.
Andreas Juttner: Like we were basically prayer a cloud price but licenses included if this is, if you sometimes need many licenses and that might be a solution if he needs very often that I may just be.
Andreas Juttner: Not financially sense well.
IT_600-R-002: yeah I mean we could we could look see if you a zoo or something.
IT_600-R-002: I think I think at the moment we have we have new open cloud contracts, but we are very likely likely to get one soon, and the fact is, this it's this sort of use case where, if you need something.
IT_600-R-002: In freak infrequently but you need a lot is exactly what's our use case that quote might be interesting for.
So we can we can certainly look and see if.
I can have yeah.
IT_600-R-002: Some some includes a mathematical license on board.
IT_600-R-002: yeah I will look it will look at that and on the other, on the on the actual on that on sounds on licenses that we can follow up with the licensing people and.
Get.
IT_600-R-002: Their thing is that out, I understand that, no matter if it is for buying more mathematical licenses or if it is for buying cloud resources, which include mathematical licenses in both cases is the it department that is paying for them.
IT_600-R-002: yeah maybe we need to, we need to discuss, I mean if sorts of it that the it department at the moment, page for all the all the mathematical licensing tools.
That takes time to the need to be a discussion about how.
If we were to increase the licenses toby how we how we do that yeah.
baby.
Elena Gianolio: yeah I cannot promise anything about Scott comments from my.
Elena Gianolio: boss, so that eventually we can contribute to that.
Elena Gianolio: But in case of teary we've contributed to the mathematical license then we asked to have a sort of exclusion.
Elena Gianolio: Of the license because in theory, we are very strict we give licenses only to stop and fellows and not to visitor, but when when I had the building of the people using the mathematical license in device from cerner, then you have also very short term visitors to get it to so.
Elena Gianolio: If we are ready to contribute, if we can somehow limited the user through to the theory of course.
Elena Gianolio: Okay yeah giving us sort of clarity not not say that other one shouldn't use it, but we we don't require a PR yeah sure.
IT_600-R-002: If you're paying for it and the other one on the cloud provider, as I said, we can check and see what's available and get back to you on your then and then and then again, that would be the question of the.
Andreas Juttner: Finance yeah.
Andreas Juttner: yeah it's also.
Andreas Juttner: it's also, I think that people using the shop involved because, in my experience, using cloud can be quite complicated when you have a lot of libraries that are non standard immediately install them that might just.
Andreas Juttner: produce a huge overhead I just thought I mentioned that it might provide a solution that's cheaper.
Andreas Juttner: I mean so certainly.
IT_600-R-002: Where we would like to be for close I mean we think we think generally foot for the kind of standard standard them.
IT_600-R-002: You know baseline baseline physics, we do.
IT_600-R-002: On the back system that's not that's not economically sensible workload, but for a specific big runs for htc so, then I at a lower frequency that's a sort of that sort of thing it might it might be interesting for.
IT_600-R-002: So yeah definitely definitely we can move yeah.
IT_600-R-002: But I mean, and then we work at home and then we've worked out how to do the work I had to do the billing and and we would we would like.
IT_600-R-002: I would like that, if we do that sort of thing or htc people here can help you do that so.
IT_600-R-002: We don't just give you give you the nodes and let you get on with it, we should be able to help you help you set up the libraries and make sure everything's working.
IT_600-R-002: so that you know when you spend the money you actually you actually get things working properly that's that's what we'd like to go with this, so we have to, we have a potential use case here for that, when we have equal no people in the engineering department or looking at answers.
IT_600-R-002: closed on answers on cloud for similar use case where they either need a big a big simulation very occasionally we can't run here but potentially we could run in the cloud.
IT_600-R-002: is something to try, but I mean myself personally, I.
IT_600-R-002: I fail to understand that the overall price will be cheaper, that it will do it.
IT_600-R-002: Locally at CERN using the mathematical isn't here, why because I guess all these commercial companies that are bundling kind of cloud resources with precision mathematica licenses.
IT_600-R-002: They are being as well the commercial pressure mathematica they are not paying any kind of agreement yeah I mean.
Depending on how you do the.
total cost of ownership calculation.
IT_600-R-002: yeah close close close yeah indeed significantly more expensive.
IT_600-R-002: We we estimated between five and 10 things expensive.
Particularly for the big machines, the big memory machines.
IT_600-R-002: That said, if if you're using it if you're using it in frequently you know, then then it's probably more sensible to do, unquote than it is to buy it by a machine here, that is not used heavily yeah.
IT_600-R-002: So it depends on the user is made of things if things are they are to be used consciously all the time, so.
IT_600-R-002: Probably not usually commercial solutions by their body heat this one i've kind of Punjab, efficient and for resources that we don't have here right that's that's the point as well, when you are.
IT_600-R-002: very, very big calculations with with with lots of memory on lots of very specific part of the configuration that we don't have here.
The inquiry becomes interesting yeah obviously as soon as we have it here, it makes sense to do here yeah.
IT_600-R-002: yeah I mean, in that sense, there is something that already exists, I want to just thank you are interested, or are 64 but on our 64 days.
Alexander Yohei Huss: very nice plus node That is our system for based if you want to try it or trying it.
Then, what else.
IT_600-R-002: Yes, any obese, I mean, I have one myself, which is when are we going to be meeting again, I suggest that we meet again in September early September is that OK for everybody.
Elena Gianolio: I usually take my holidays in September, but I have not fix it yet, but I don't think my presence is essential so just.
IT_600-R-002: In any case, you see, I mean they actually having the right for the meeting today, they will go in the minute and then.
IT_600-R-002: A lot of the the actions that we have been talking about they kind of crystallized into extending the Guardian, the document, where we are gathering everything so.
IT_600-R-002: We have all got your homework to do during during the summer and then we meet September at some point and go through it and see where we are.
IT_600-R-002: Okay, so yeah so before before that meeting i'll certainly get back to you on the new the new even hundreds of them just arrived.
IT_600-R-002: With the configuration and whether whether we can discuss further that configuration is useful for you in the short term and I guess the discussions with new manuals will continue yeah.
IT_600-R-002: Okay, so.
Elena Gianolio: say yes, excuse me man was just coming to my mind to something that we already discussed, but maybe it's like this nice if I mentioned also here what will be nice, but this is, in general, is to be able to provide a desktop Linux configuration, that is.
Elena Gianolio: That is working.
Okay yeah.
Elena Gianolio: You know, because I know you are following it, we have a fellow that isn't still having troubles to run to login and keep.
Elena Gianolio: And now I gave it to another fellow another Linux machine just the other day I didn't get any feedback yet.
Elena Gianolio: This time I decided to give the machine to be installed by the second line of Linux so like I I hope I would get something really running, but it will be nice also to concentrate a little bit I thought on that yeah.
I mean.
IT_600-R-002: i'm sure that every disease to to prove there but.
IT_600-R-002: Something kind of good and aside is that I am myself using centos a streamer a Linux desktop so I I know about some of the things that could be improved and we're working on it so.
Elena Gianolio: I mean i'm sure this.
IT_600-R-002: Is the same time for things like your sentences to nine within is that for central system night there were certain bits that we're missing until last week.
IT_600-R-002: Like the What was it was the sandbox or client that was available and us, and I believe that this week, it will go into production, all this data that we're missing on it, so I from this weekend, their experience using Center 69 on the desktop should improve right.
Elena Gianolio: Okay, because we usually we used to have the always on the desktop the same version of that X plus so that people can switch between but.
Elena Gianolio: As far as I understood now there are some problem, the best up there doesn't appear on X Plus, and this is a little bit of PT.
Elena Gianolio: And then, of course I know about the center's nine because I was previously asking to install Center Nice, and then I discovered that was not working, when I had to send it back and.
Elena Gianolio: So what.
IT_600-R-002: They did is that.
Right now officially the official.
Elena Gianolio: Lino expression in English class is still CC seven is it well, I mean.
IT_600-R-002: doesn't mean it's a splash any spread those tyndall she he is pointing to is probably pointing to service so Alex Alex plus eight is it's probably introduction as well yeah okay or not, so the only thing I think is X plus eight yeah.
IT_600-R-002: We are we are starting with Alex plus nine lodges.
That the configuration is.
IT_600-R-002: So, at the moment, they were shooting for the theory department users that have a windows desktop would we then to stall central system, he on their desktops is they want to get something similar to what they find in English class eight kind of now.
yeah.
So.
Elena Gianolio: yeah so the X plus server see see he was pointing to seven yeah i'm just talking to.
IT_600-R-002: An alias plus 8% of CEOs is pointing to it yeah but yeah it wouldn't make sense to do seven so yeah it is it's probably the common the common one.
IT_600-R-002: We are discussing with.
IT_600-R-002: The wsj experiments what they want to do ritual regarding which version of the operating system so it's possible that the batch system and and and Alex plus will they are exposed alien alias is will skip to nine at some point we need to discuss with the elysee experiments.
Elena Gianolio: In judah because then I was misunderstanding sorry because I did a check at X plus was.
Elena Gianolio: The fact is that we now have this super memory nodes with the nine version nine yeah and then, if I give them a seven is already know to I mean.
Elena Gianolio: They usually like to have the same version, where they can run in a special machine, so the problem so make sense.
IT_600-R-002: For that set of users, that are using the English class know with big memory, there is one, it was interesting So yes, definitely is worth.
IT_600-R-002: trying in Center city nine from the desktop as well, I mean, as I said before, I show them this week the speed is much, much better because there were certain companies that were missing on the.
Elena Gianolio: Actual but let's say they might make case and now, who is asking me a Linux desktop is there, somebody that can use the either the batch job Oh, the super nodes, and so they are more or less the same people, otherwise they use.
Elena Gianolio: Any other best.
Elena Gianolio: Then they then he says he so this is why I had this problem of coordination.
Elena Gianolio: Sorry.
Elena Gianolio: Point came to my mind at the last moment.
IT_600-R-002: Because, then that junkie for my education in the the the batch of notes, working with large memory, they are running centers running centos seven at the moment Okay, mostly most of them now, we have a small fraction of the batch phone one eight.
IT_600-R-002: And, as I say, we're basically waiting see what the mcg experiments decide to do, whether we we moved to eat or whether we need to nine one on one island um.
IT_600-R-002: yeah I mean, obviously we have we would have a preference to move to nine because yeah everything's in advance.
Elena Gianolio: So you will jump as.
IT_600-R-002: We are discussing with the experiments, whether we jump in and yon move directly to nine coach we would be your preference.
IT_600-R-002: And not, not least because the the lifetime of central stream eight ends at the same time as central seven which is mid middle of 2024.
Elena Gianolio: Seven, even if we if we can get the name, then we extend the life of things.
IT_600-R-002: we're also looking on the back system about.
IT_600-R-002: or basically all to wrapping jobs, so if you say, even if the based system where it could be nine.
IT_600-R-002: If you asked for our central see your job to run in a sentence, the environment, the batch system would do that automatically for you, so we drop it inside the container and run it run it on a central the container even know what we'd be running on a on a on a central line based system.
IT_600-R-002: And that we're trying to meet that so it's completely automatic.
Alexander Yohei Huss: So the number of available notes does not change, whether I switched operating system is that what you're saying, because everything is.
IT_600-R-002: So yeah so we were like we're trying to get to we're not quite there yet.
IT_600-R-002: Okay, so were you just you just ask for what you want, and and the system will do it, regardless of the Covenant physical arrangement of.
Alexander Yohei Huss: yeah.
IT_600-R-002: yeah I hope we can get there soon, because before aim is to get there, before we start migrating significant quantities of versions to.
each other.
Okay.
Tell me, as you can see, the distribution that we provide a slicer does not just depend on us, it depends on a larger user communities later.
IT_600-R-002: Okay okay so listen, I will I will I will.
IT_600-R-002: Do I need to sell a new new to schedule the next meeting, or simply say, can you say something like the first week of September.
IT_600-R-002: Okay, so let's say the yeah so kind of 11 September, no Sunday September or something like that, so I will I will send you an invitation for the next weekend of September is by any for any reason that date is not good for you, let me know and then we will switch it to some of the time.
Elena Gianolio: We today, you say that.
Elena Gianolio: Just because they tease Asians and Eduardo don't know so maybe you don't want it to do that.
IT_600-R-002: Okay, so, then I will, I will make it the 19th.
Alexander Yohei Huss: yeah okay night okay.
IT_600-R-002: Thank you very much, and we have another meeting after summer enjoy holidays and.
IT_600-R-002: bye bye.
Andreas Juttner: bye.
bye.