02:18:06 Kevin Pedro: ACAT proceedings are also reviewed 02:23:10 Sudhir Malik: Greg: In CMS detector papers we do have limited authorship, so there is a precedance. 02:29:38 Daniel S Katz: thanks 02:36:57 Daniel S Katz: It's interesting that the role of conference papers here is so different from their role in CS, where they are seen as equivalent to journal papers, with full author lists, and where there is a presenter typically as one of many authors, no necessarily the first or last 02:42:34 emoyse: https://zenodo.org/communities/atlas_experiment 02:44:03 George Redlinger: I believe we cite Zenodo in our "catch all" ATLAS software paper 02:48:59 Daniel S Katz: see https://indico.cern.ch/event/1211229/ 02:49:01 Matthew Feickert: https://indico.cern.ch/event/1211229/ 02:49:10 Matthew Feickert: (ah Dan was faster. :) ) 02:49:21 Daniel S Katz: often 🙂 02:49:34 Matthew Feickert: fastest keyboard in the west. ;) 02:49:43 Daniel S Katz: secret skill - or not so secret anymore 03:31:41 Kevin Pedro: @sudhir related to the point you were making when the breakout room closed: are people in research software positions allowed/encouraged to write papers? (i'm aware of other specialized technical positions where paper writing is explicitly not part of the job description) 03:32:53 Daniel S Katz: FYI, some RSEs have jobs where writing papers is part of the job, while others don't. (speaking very generally about RSEs, not HEP specific) 03:33:57 George Redlinger: I think in general the answer in ATLAS would be NO, even though we have recently started publishing a few more software papers (authored by the whole Collaboration). I also think that paper citations do not really help software people in academic environments (universities). The situation is a bit different at the national labs. 03:34:06 Daniel S Katz: There are currently 33 open RSE jobs in https://us-rse.org/jobs/ - someone might browse them and see if papers are listed in them, but we haven't done any formal study 03:34:32 Sudhir Malik: 👍 03:43:28 Matthew Feickert: Sorry, @George, was your comment about something in chat or something I mentioned. If the latter I'd like to capture that in the Google Doc 03:44:10 Matthew Feickert: or was that in response to Kevin? 04:00:45 Matthew Feickert: I'll talk about this tomorrow in my talk 04:00:50 George Redlinger: It was an answer to Sudhir about something we started to discuss before the breakout rooms closed 04:01:10 Matthew Feickert: thanks, George! 04:03:47 Daniel S Katz: thanks all!! see you tomorrow 04:03:57 Matthew Feickert: thanks very much all