• We need some viable alternatives to microsoft/google - a "killer app"
• In some countries they already try to move away from some providers, e.g. RENATER moving to opensource email, Denmark schools cannot use Google Docs
• Petr: putting a proxy in between seems to help in many cases
• Jos: we cannot get rid of commercial partners. We have to be sure that we manage our own data.
• GAIAX is an attempt to be a GDPR compliant cloud provider
• Was important in Helix Nebula /Archiver that cloud providers had to show that they support our standards and protocols (eduGAIN login)
• This has been asked in many other places - we should contribute to those discussions
• Would be interesting to see how large, microsoft based research communities perform technical tasks
• Derek: The large providers probably won't have a collaborative mindset for some time
  • Have run into an issue with Duo security, once in the cost has dramatically increased. Dumping it and using something from the higher ed community that is cheaper.