Hannah Wakeling - STFC UKRI: Okay. So, Andrew, I'd like to welcome you to start your talk. Please.
Andrea Klumpp D6: Thank you, Hannah. Today I want to talk about our approach for sustainability. Easy.
Andrea Klumpp D6: First, st of course, we have a very broad approach.
Andrea Klumpp D6: It started. This assigns the personal management and supporting processes. But our focus is on infrastructure and on energy efficiency. And for energy efficiency. We want, we need some numbers. So we have an energy monitoring system, this detail unified meter marking centralized data collection and analyzes. And we have this for electricity, water, heat and cooling.
Andrea Klumpp D6: And with this data we are able
Andrea Klumpp D6: to identify efficiency potentials. And we can make an user based source related and counting.
Andrea Klumpp D6: And with this we can find our energy consumption for Dz and to.
Andrea Klumpp D6: as you can see, the numbers are very high, but we use renewable energy. And furthermore, we
Andrea Klumpp D6: plan and do also waste heat usage. We did a project with the University of Applied Science in Hamburg.
Andrea Klumpp D6: and we identify our potential. It is 129 gigawatt hours per year of waste heat, and the temperature is an up a level of 30 to 40 degree.
Andrea Klumpp D6: and with this we can do our heating. In the moment we use heat pumps
Andrea Klumpp D6: and
Andrea Klumpp D6: for new buildings, we plan to use
Andrea Klumpp D6: low temperature heating, and so we can use a part of this waste heat, but only 10%.
Andrea Klumpp D6: And the surplus we want to give this to the neighborhood.
Andrea Klumpp D6: Furthermore,
Andrea Klumpp D6: again, accounting this lifecycle assessment, it's a very important pool to identify where we can save
Andrea Klumpp D6: CO. 2 and other programlantic
Andrea Klumpp D6: challenges.
Andrea Klumpp D6: And
Andrea Klumpp D6: this tool I used especially for the Petra Poor project. It's a new machine.
Andrea Klumpp D6: and I'm responsible for the sustainability at Petra for.
Andrea Klumpp D6: And what I did 1st was
Andrea Klumpp D6: also civil construction.
Andrea Klumpp D6: and in Germany we have a national certification system for sustainable buildings
Andrea Klumpp D6: E and B, and it's has 3 grades
Andrea Klumpp D6: and in this
Andrea Klumpp D6: certification system the whole life cycle is considered.
Andrea Klumpp D6: and we decided it is that we want to use the great silver, and all
Andrea Klumpp D6: our buildings will be built in this
Andrea Klumpp D6: certification system.
Andrea Klumpp D6: Only the new experimental hall has no possibility to get into the certification system. So we've decided that we want to use
Andrea Klumpp D6: similar
Andrea Klumpp D6: post a similar
Andrea Klumpp D6: sorry I lost the bird.
Andrea Klumpp D6: Similar
Andrea Klumpp D6: points which we shake points. Another example for a life cycle was for our bending magnets.
Andrea Klumpp D6: We decided to use permanent magnets in for the bending of our electron beam
Andrea Klumpp D6: and
Andrea Klumpp D6: from to compare the global vomit potential for the permanent magnets.
Andrea Klumpp D6: I
Andrea Klumpp D6: calculate also some stuff for the electromagnetic design. And first, st we only look into the global warming potential of the battery and
Andrea Klumpp D6: the operation of the magnets.
Andrea Klumpp D6: First, st I did some research literature research to find the global warming potential for different materials.
Andrea Klumpp D6: What I found was that the
Andrea Klumpp D6: values for this global warming potentially differs a lot.
Andrea Klumpp D6: and especially for someone on cobalt or your dummy, and so on. And so I calculate the numbers and
Andrea Klumpp D6: with this, I can calculate also the global warming potential for the magnets.
Andrea Klumpp D6: Yeah, you see the result. And in the
Andrea Klumpp D6: figure a, you see that the global warming potential for the permanent magnets only material is much worse than for the electromagnets.
Andrea Klumpp D6: But if you take into account the operation
Andrea Klumpp D6: and the elect and the energy consumption for the operation, you see that
Andrea Klumpp D6: that being the 1st 2 years you get to break even. And with this electromagnets has a much higher
Andrea Klumpp D6: global warming potential than the permanent magnets.
Andrea Klumpp D6: Furthermore, I calculated the energy savings only for operation of the magnets was 2.8 6 gigawatt hours per year.
Andrea Klumpp D6: and also for the cable losses where we can save 0 point 6 8 gigawatt hours per year only by
Andrea Klumpp D6: it's a cable system.
Andrea Klumpp D6: Another very important point for our global warming potential is that we want to reuse our alternative for the new machine.
Andrea Klumpp D6: And a very large problem in the Autunet is that we have a
Andrea Klumpp D6: very bad temperature stability.
Andrea Klumpp D6: You can see this in the diagram and
Andrea Klumpp D6: depending on the position. We have temperature difference between up to 5 degree, and what we also can see very clearly is operating schedule of Petra, and summer and winter times.
Andrea Klumpp D6: but with a new machine we need very stable temperature.
Andrea Klumpp D6: Therefore we did some calculations.
Andrea Klumpp D6: One of this calculations was in cooperation with them on remarkable.
Andrea Klumpp D6: And there we find the optimal positions for the air conditioners.
Andrea Klumpp D6: We find out where there is some it. There's a heat rate distribution. And so we can optimize for cooling or teating and
Andrea Klumpp D6: and shut on
Andrea Klumpp D6: and also optimize the cabling. Another point for this was also to find the optimal tonner temperature and operation schedule.
Andrea Klumpp D6: and including that we have to
Andrea Klumpp D6: heat in the winter time and to cool down in the summertime, and also that you want to use it. Waste heat. We find out that we
Andrea Klumpp D6: that's optimum temperature for the water is 30 degree, and for the air 25 degree, and that we should
Andrea Klumpp D6: make a long, so long, long summer shutdown into short winter shutdown.
Andrea Klumpp D6: because in the winter times we would need to eat, and in the summertimes we need to cool down
Andrea Klumpp D6: another point
Andrea Klumpp D6: for saving
Andrea Klumpp D6: carbon dioxide
Andrea Klumpp D6: is to optimize processes.
Andrea Klumpp D6: 1st point is, for instance, that we
Andrea Klumpp D6: want to improve the reliability and operation. That's where we want. We use robotics
Andrea Klumpp D6: for measurements of radiation, and also to do some small maintenance. And with this we are able to run
Andrea Klumpp D6: the
Andrea Klumpp D6: be the machine, and can also do some measurements and measurements and maintenance.
Andrea Klumpp D6: Another point is highly automated from a 2 particular screening beam line, and with this we are able to
Andrea Klumpp D6: put very much samples, 1,000 samples, and 34 h, and with this we save also again some lead time
Andrea Klumpp D6: and another point is the remote access.
Andrea Klumpp D6: we have epigraphy, a beam line with
Andrea Klumpp D6: robotic arm, but we want to improve this also for Petra, for so that we can avoid
Andrea Klumpp D6: for everything.
Andrea Klumpp D6: But the most important point for getting an our light source
Andrea Klumpp D6: sustainable is, of course.
Andrea Klumpp D6: the size we want to do here 1 point is long, lasting solar cells and batteries, but also plastic alternatives. And we want to look into the processes for generating hydrogen fluids
Andrea Klumpp D6: and to optimize this. And this is, I want to thank
Andrea Klumpp D6: for the pensions.
Andrea Klumpp D6: So Christians.
Hannah Wakeling - STFC UKRI: Yeah. Hello, sorry about that.
Hannah Wakeling - STFC UKRI: okay, are there any questions from the audience? Thank you for Andrew. Very interesting.
Hannah Wakeling - STFC UKRI: Okay, so no questions. For now I'd like to start off. So going to your Lpa. Obviously, I'm slightly more interested in that.
Hannah Wakeling - STFC UKRI: I work on.
Andrea Klumpp D6: I see.
Hannah Wakeling - STFC UKRI: Oh!
Andrea Klumpp D6: Funk or suit.
Andrea Klumpp D6: do we do it?
Hannah Wakeling - STFC UKRI: Oh.
Hannah Wakeling - STFC UKRI: okay, yeah. Go for it, Juliet.
Juliette Alimena: No, I mean, it's not a big deal. You can go first, st Hannah.
Hannah Wakeling - STFC UKRI: Okay? So yeah. Talking about Lcas, that obviously, that's
Hannah Wakeling - STFC UKRI: a topic close to my heart at the moment.
Hannah Wakeling - STFC UKRI: you.
Hannah Wakeling - STFC UKRI: we we've had a discussion about this before, but just to to
Hannah Wakeling - STFC UKRI: clarify your Lca uncertainty. Are you trying to account for those in any ways? Are are you going to use any form of software? You're calculating it manually.
Andrea Klumpp D6: For the permanent magnets. We did it manually. I did a literature research, but at the moment we did also, with a consultant and Lca. For a power supply.
Hannah Wakeling - STFC UKRI: Hmm.
Andrea Klumpp D6: For our next step, we plan to do a life cycle assessment for buildings.
Andrea Klumpp D6: We have ability for the heat pump. And this we will put in next year.
Andrea Klumpp D6: and so I will just do this, especially for this building and for the end of life. We decided that you want to do this for Guest House.
Andrea Klumpp D6: which is
Andrea Klumpp D6: will go away, and so I can do this
Andrea Klumpp D6: very
Andrea Klumpp D6: concrete and not concrete very especially for this end of life, of a building.
Hannah Wakeling - STFC UKRI: Okay.
Andrea Klumpp D6: Yeah.
Hannah Wakeling - STFC UKRI: But I'm not. Hmm sorry.
Hannah Wakeling - STFC UKRI: Did you have any uncertainties in your in your
Hannah Wakeling - STFC UKRI: analysis? Are you? Are you going to be presenting the numbers with an insights to you, or you just.
Andrea Klumpp D6: Which point you mean for the amendment.
Hannah Wakeling - STFC UKRI: So so it's
Hannah Wakeling - STFC UKRI: yeah. Okay. So for let's say, for the magnets. Obviously, you did literature analysis? And then have these numbers. Are they going to have
Hannah Wakeling - STFC UKRI: some form of of uncertainty presented it with those.
Andrea Klumpp D6: Yes, of course it's.
Hannah Wakeling - STFC UKRI: Okay.
Andrea Klumpp D6: It was not easy.
Andrea Klumpp D6: You know. Oh, Denise wants to say something.
Denise Völker (DESY): Sorry I want to rescue Andrea.
Hannah Wakeling - STFC UKRI: Of course.
Denise Völker (DESY): So I'm Andreas colleagues. And we did this together specifically in in terms of the rare Earth elements. We had extremely huge
Denise Völker (DESY): differences from different data databases, papers written whatever it was really like, really, really huge. And for the magnets, we decided we did it manually, and we decided to just take an average, or we for 1 point. We said that we take it a little bit higher, but explained why.
Denise Völker (DESY): But what you're what you're hinting on is that at some point we need to find a common basis and to agree on kind of a database on what to use, because in the end it's the question of comparison of this project and that project, and and so on. And if everybody, if if everybody always takes the lowest number he can find
Denise Völker (DESY): that's not good. But and also the the range is
Denise Völker (DESY): really enormous. And there is databases and databases and approaches, and whatever. And I think this is the big question we have to answer in the coming
Denise Völker (DESY): year or 2. For all kind of big
Denise Völker (DESY): research infrastructures.
Hannah Wakeling - STFC UKRI: Yeah, okay, thank you.
Denise Völker (DESY): Clearly.
Denise Völker (DESY): tip.
Hannah Wakeling - STFC UKRI: Okay. Juliet, do you wanna go ahead.
Juliette Alimena: Yeah, just had a I was just curious on your last slide. You mentioned green hydrogen and producing hydrogen in a green way. Ha! Could you say a little bit more about that? How does that work.
Andrea Klumpp D6: Oh, I don't know. Sorry I am not in this science
Andrea Klumpp D6: part. I'm only for sustainability, and this is are some points which we did some research, or we plan to do some research, and because our light source
Andrea Klumpp D6: has the
Andrea Klumpp D6: very small vape planks, so we can get much deeper in the processes. And also we have a lot of photons hopefully.
Andrea Klumpp D6: if it runs so we can murder very fast. So we hope that we can find
Andrea Klumpp D6: how the process
Andrea Klumpp D6: is going on, and so we can maybe hopefully improve those process.
Andrea Klumpp D6: That's all I know about. Sorry.
Juliette Alimena: Okay. Thanks.
Andrea Klumpp D6: But if you are interested I can make some connection to do to it for you, and then we can find some
Andrea Klumpp D6: one who can explain it better with me.
Juliette Alimena: Yeah, I was just curious. I can search for it myself. Thanks.
Andrea Klumpp D6: Okay. Good. Luck.
Juliette Alimena: Or hmm.
Hannah Wakeling - STFC UKRI: Thank you. Are there any other questions from the audience?
Hannah Wakeling - STFC UKRI: Okay, I don't see any.
Hannah Wakeling - STFC UKRI: So unfortunately, Beno has not joined the
Hannah Wakeling - STFC UKRI: The audience unless he's joined under me under a different name.
Hannah Wakeling - STFC UKRI: Nope, silence means no so with that, I would like to close this session and thank all the speakers. It's been really interesting, and I'm not
Hannah Wakeling - STFC UKRI: talking about myself. I'll let you decide that
Hannah Wakeling - STFC UKRI: But
Hannah Wakeling - STFC UKRI: yes, we will reconvene tomorrow. We look forward to it. There is a workshop, and, as we mentioned, if you turn up with a few and information, there is a list but it it includes things like your travel in the last year with that's due to work. If you turn up with that, that will really facilitate the the workshop. Make it go smoother.
Hannah Wakeling - STFC UKRI: So with that. Thank you, everybody, and I'll see you tomorrow.
Hannah Wakeling - STFC UKRI: Thank you.
Denise Völker (DESY): Bye, bye.
Naman Kumar Bhalla: Bye.