Discussion and surprise about the delay with inclusion of new versions of HepMC in SCRAMToolBox. Lynn's advice to include ASAP at least 1.26.01 due to a serious drawback in 1.26. Strong objections to changes of PDF sets in GENSER, even if this is a special GENSER version and agreed with the authors of a PDF set. Act only through the LHAPDF authors. Give more feedback to the LHAPDF authors. Complaints about insufficient attention to SHERPA and insufficient collaboration (or no collaboration at all) with the authors. CEDAR: HZTool is desirable in GENSER although it is in Fortran and the c++ substitution is in preparation. CEDAR: Collaboration on Rivet and RivetGun (HepForge) welcome. Start when downloadable versions appear.