12:17:35 From Anna Cook to Everyone : see this link https://hr.web.cern.ch/5yr-2015-diversity-measures for the diversity measures implemented at the last 5YR 12:18:53 From Clara Nellist to Everyone : Pine marten 12:19:03 From Anna Cook to Everyone : thanks Clara 12:19:14 From Clara Nellist to Everyone : The second one was a weasel :D 12:20:03 From Anna Cook to Everyone : great! thanks! 12:28:50 From Natalie Kane to Everyone : it would certainly be interesting to see that table with age & experience added :) 12:40:36 From Catharine Noble to Everyone : Hi!! :D 12:46:07 From Laura to Everyone : the resistance is at section leader level 12:53:46 From Laura to Everyone : have departure interview shown any systemic gender issues 12:56:13 From Louise Carvalho to Everyone : Fabienne's team is working on a 25x25 logo; we intend to promote 25x25 inside and outside to increase our attractivity. 12:56:50 From Muriel Colson to Everyone : Getting to grips with supervision has therefore being introduced 12:57:02 From Louise Carvalho to Everyone : What can be more attractive than an Org admitting "publicly" that we have a gender balance to repair and that the Highest level actively endorse a strategy to address and improve it. 12:57:31 From Katerina Chrysalidis to Everyone : Is there a plan though to increase the numbers quicker? 25 by 25 sounds catchy, but at that rate we are looking at 25 more years until we reach equality. 12:58:05 From Anna Cook to Everyone : Thanks Muriel, indeed more and more courses available to inform, equipe and guide everyone on the same page to work together in the same direction 12:58:12 From Louise Carvalho to Everyone : 25% is not a cap… any areas that can get there faster the better. The ideas as to How are yours as well as ours 12:58:15 From Muriel Colson to Everyone : we can also see with the new process we've introduced for recruiting computing profiles for fellows we went from very small Numbers of female hiring to 40% last round 12:58:42 From Clara Nellist to Everyone : How much will there be a focus on retention? 12:59:03 From Louise Carvalho to Everyone : the 25x25 action is plan is a work in progress. Each Department can focus where and how they wish 12:59:07 From Muriel Colson to Everyone : thanks to Erica we had already 2 IG sessions on recruitment 12:59:09 From Clara Nellist to Everyone : Getting more women into the pipeline is one way to increase the ratio, but it doesn’t provide women with long-term careers 12:59:10 From Anna Cook to Everyone : hi Katerina, as James mentioned in the talk, it is a very ambitious target, achieving it faster will require the engagement and commitment across all corners of the Organization. 13:00:04 From Louise Carvalho to Everyone : 25x25 applies to the MPE population, ie the population we hire 13:01:16 From Clara Nellist to Everyone : Great question, Oksana! 13:01:35 From Louise Carvalho to Everyone : D&I Programme will be hosting public input meetings in due course; as well as regular meetings among all the Departmental focal points. This is where some of your beautiful creative ideas can come out 13:02:57 From Clara Nellist to Everyone : Why can’t CERN open a position for the trailing spouse? 13:03:30 From Chloé to Everyone : regarding attracting more women: one reason for a leaky pipeline is maternity. What about the proposal to match the paternity and maternity leave lengths at CERN? 13:03:33 From Kate Kahle to Everyone : James, that's a great idea! 13:03:33 From Maria Alandes Pradillo to Everyone : The benchmarking report presented by James, that will be presented in TREF meeting, is it going to be public at some point? It would be great to be able to look at the details 13:04:47 From Muriel Colson to Everyone : need to go sorry, but great to have those exchanges and discussions! Thank you Erica, James and Anna! 13:04:58 From Anna Cook to Everyone : Thnaks Muriel! 13:05:00 From Louise Carvalho to Everyone : Increased telework is another "dual career" solution - indvidual to be able to work from "home country" where spouse is based 13:05:29 From Eva Gousiou to Everyone : parental leave: Has cern evaluated the annual cost of equal parental leave? 13:06:14 From Anna Cook to Everyone : Thanks for the good question Maria, the full document might not be publicly available (TBC) but defnitiely the key findings will be presented and made available by James at future HR public meetings as part of reporting back on the 5YR. 13:06:19 From Hannah Short to Everyone : But surely in the case of a particularly physically difficult birth, the other partner should have additional leave to look after the new born? 13:08:49 From Anna Cook to Everyone : Hi Hannah, great question: currently an additional 5 days are foreseen in the event of premature births, multiple births etc. https://admin-eguide.web.cern.ch/en/procedure/leave-family-reasons. 'difficult physical birth' is not explicitly referenced but should fall under such provisions. 13:09:00 From Hannah Short to Everyone : That’s good to know :) 13:09:11 From Laura to Everyone : it was an excellent article 13:09:33 From Clara Nellist to Everyone : Can someone share a link? 13:11:06 From Kate Kahle to Everyone : https://ombuds.web.cern.ch/blog/2021/03/sexism-lets-face-facts?utm_source=Bulletin&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=2021-03-25E&utm_campaign=BulletinEmail 13:11:19 From Hannah Short to Everyone : thx 13:12:38 From Laura to Everyone : sexism works the other way too and don't forget homophomia 13:13:30 From Sonia AF to Everyone : Sexism is a "feeling". let's speak about concrete actions. Paternity leaves should be seriously considered. If you are absent/ away for months because you have to be, they have to replace you and quite often is with an unfair person. 13:15:05 From Emma Sanders to Everyone : What can be improved for getting training to a broader public? (whenever I’ve been in diversity training or unconscious bias training, there have been almost uniquely female participants)? 13:15:45 From Katerina Chrysalidis to Everyone : It is not that easy to be courageous though in situations where sexism is witnessed, since careers depend on the perception of higher ups. Especially when one is in the minority (e.g. all other team members are men and won’t speak up). 13:16:29 From Kate Kahle to Everyone : I agree Pierre 13:17:24 From Laura to Everyone : For those of us interested in these issues these talks are excellent but many of my colleagues never hear a word on these issues from management. 13:17:49 From Emma Sanders to Everyone : Great to hear, thanks James! 13:18:12 From Chloé to Everyone : Are you comparing figures on gender diversity at all levels of the organization with the figures available from similar organizations (Fermilab or other large laboratories throughout the world), to have a clear comparison of where CERN stands on this matter? 13:18:22 From Maria Alandes Pradillo to Everyone : I guess it's tricky to make these stats public, but even if internal, does HR have an integrated view of all possible sexual harrassment cases reported to Ombuds, Psycologist, HR, and supervisors? 13:19:57 From Anna Cook to Everyone : HI Maria, comprehensive annual Ombud reports are available on the Ombud site: https://ombuds.web.cern.ch/reports 13:20:22 From Maria Alandes Pradillo to Everyone : Yes, indeed, but it's only the cases reported to Ombuds 13:21:53 From Anna Cook to Everyone : Indeed, those are the only public reports I am aware of. Louise do you know if more reports are publicly available? 13:22:20 From pierre.gildemyn@cern.ch to Everyone : My findings need indeed to be put in perspective with the findings of other support services…when they exist. So, yes, we need more data! 13:22:34 From Anna Cook to Everyone : Thanks Pierre! indeed. 13:23:04 From Louise Carvalho to Everyone : @Maria, there is no one source of collection of such harassment compalint stats, in part because there are confidentiality requirements in these various areas 13:23:34 From Laura to Everyone : Nationwide Building Society in the UK have told 13,000 staff "Work from Anywhere!" 13:24:11 From pierre.gildemyn@cern.ch to Everyone : The issue is that many situations remain under the radar. We have to actively go after the data. 13:24:14 From Natalie Kane to Everyone : That's a similar point for First Aider training :) 13:24:15 From Maria Alandes Pradillo to Everyone : Thanks Louise, I meant stats (of course respecting confidentiality). And I was asking if at least there is internal data from all support channels 13:24:26 From Natalie Kane to Everyone : but we still propose it! 13:24:51 From Stephan Petit to Everyone : I found this: https://home.cern/news/official-news/cern/human-resources-department-2017-annual-report-settlement-disputes-and but I wonder if all years are covered 13:25:09 From Louise Carvalho to Everyone : @Maria, no not that im aware of. 13:25:18 From Kate Kahle to Everyone : Good point Natalie ;-) 13:25:28 From Chloé to Everyone : Are you comparing figures on gender diversity at all levels of the organization with the figures available from similar organizations (Fermilab or other large laboratories throughout the world), to have a clear comparison of where CERN stands on this matter? 13:28:13 From Natalie Kane to Everyone : sexism training for everyone... more outreach opportunities -> we do local schools, what about further afield? proper HR-endorsed mentoring programme... 13:28:58 From Natalie Kane to Everyone : -> mentoring for males too :) 13:29:03 From pierre.gildemyn@cern.ch to Everyone : Wish for WIT: attract more men? 13:29:20 From Flavia Cicala to Everyone : Keep brining men on-board the equality and inclusivity train! 13:29:47 From Clara Nellist to Everyone : Pausing contract clocks ticking during leave is important too 13:29:51 From Dana Seman Bobulska to Everyone : Exactly, Eva! I can’t agree more. CERN should lead by example. 13:30:02 From Anna Cook to Everyone : HI Natalie, we undertake many outreach events to promote our opportunities, virtually for the past year and involve CERN collagues and of course WIT members, Hannah most recently. thanks! 13:30:24 From Kate Kahle to Everyone : I agree Flavia and Pierre, tackling "toxic masculinity" would benefit many at CERN 13:30:27 From Sue Foffano to Everyone : Many thanks James, Anna & WIT for organising, most interesting! 13:30:31 From Lajos Cseppento to Everyone : Thanks you for the very interesting talk! 13:30:35 From Laura to Everyone : Thanks everyone 13:30:36 From Clara Nellist to Everyone : Thank you for the discussion! 13:30:39 From Natalie Kane to Everyone : many thanks to all :D 13:30:42 From Katerina Chrysalidis to Everyone : Thanks everyone! 13:30:43 From Maria Alandes Pradillo to Everyone : Thanks a lot 13:30:44 From Kate Kahle to Everyone : Thank you! 13:30:48 From Richa Nevatia to Everyone : Thank you, it was very interesting!