10:36:26	 From Caio Costa : The graphic slides are done
10:41:52	 From Jeff Eastlack (MSU) : great question
10:45:35	 From Gordon T. Watts : I do not need to ask a question if we are tight on time.
10:47:14	 From daniel - brown : I recommend the book "Stamped from the Beginning" which discusses the early western church's influence on racism
10:52:05	 From mariana : Could you repeat the title of the movie you mentioned besides Selma?
10:52:26	 From meenakshi.narain@cern.ch : Freedom Song
10:58:36	 From Gordon T. Watts : Thank you for that excellent talk!
11:00:25	 From Jeff Dandoy : Freedom song is not on many rental services (made for tv), but appears to be on youtube (for free) if you search “Freedom Song 2000”.  I’m not sure if it’s country dependent
11:02:25	 From varanini@fnal.gov : I can see it from Italy too
11:02:33	 From varanini@fnal.gov : thanks
11:27:47	 From Amanda Krieger : Thank you for this forum.  Unfortunately I have some end-of-school year tasks.  Peace and Love, Amanda
11:33:16	 From Ejiro Umaka : Thanks Bradley,  this was my question
11:40:04	 From Jessica Aguilar (she/her) : I have a question
11:40:06	 From Jaclyn : The news is now stating Floyd and Chauvin used to work together at a night club.
11:47:24	 From Wren Vetens (They/Them) : Michael, what you have said can also be interpreted as quite the compelling case for abolition :)
11:47:32	 From corrinne : I can't talk at the moment, apologies.  One of the more thoughtful concerns I've heard of defunding / abolishing police is that wealthier communities will hire private armed
 security, which has its own problems.  What do you think would be a good response to this concern?
11:47:50	 From corrinne : thanks
11:49:10	 From sarah.charley@cern.ch : I also had a question about “Stand your ground” laws and how to reduce vigilantes
11:49:46	 From corrinne : thank you!
11:50:56	 From Bingxuan Liu : My question is rather basic and probably already clear to many people so that I can just ask here. As a foreigner I wonder what the main institutional factors are when it comes to policing  and what has been tried in history to fight against them.
11:53:23	 From Elizabeth Locci : The statistics I foud on the share is
11:54:45	 From Jaclyn : The word "defund" is being misused and misinterpreted, the word could be "reform". The police have quotas of citations, etc. to meet each month, from what police have told me. The whole system is corrupt due to funding. This is what some police have told me, anyway. :( The police organization needs to be reformed so that it isn't dependent upon funding (if what they are telling me is the truth).
11:55:21	 From Elizabeth Locci : About 10% black people in the police, about 30% “white” and the rest is hispanic and asiatic. How do the non “white” people feel about this racism?
11:56:41	 From Michael Hedges : Elizabeth, here is the article I mentioned:
11:56:42	 From Michael Hedges : https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-the-police-see-issues-of-race-and-policing/
11:57:04	 From Elizabeth Locci : Thanks!
11:58:08	 From Bingxuan Liu : Thanks
11:59:00	 From Wren Vetens (They/Them) : Bingxuan, that question is actually very complicated, and whole books have been written on the subject 
11:59:19	 From Harvey Newman : Someone muted me.
12:00:05	 From Wren Vetens (They/Them) : Some recommended reading is "the end of policing" by alex s vitale, and "The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness" By michelle alexander
12:00:49	 From hannahelizabeth : @Jaclyn, the “defund” versus “reform” language argument distracts from the point which is take money away from police and use it for community support programs. It’s not helpful to rehash the wording; our BIPOC colleagues already set the rallying call
12:01:31	 From James Beacham : Agreed, Jaclyn, that too many people are rushing to re-define "defund" as "reform". When scholars and abolition advocates use the word "defund" they literally mean defund, i.e., remove the police budget.  

https://newrepublic.com/article/158104/rush-redefine-defund-police
12:02:26	 From Wren Vetens (They/Them) : And Jaclyn, defunding is certainly what a lot of us are actually talking about. It might be worthwhile to look into where those arrest quotas come from. And to examine this requires going into the role the prison-industrial complex serves in america
12:03:43	 From Wren Vetens (They/Them) : Prisons, especially private prisons, are used as sources of essentially free labor in manufacturing and agriculture among other things. The "Demand" To incarcerated POC's arrests is the modern slavery that is the prison industrial complex
12:03:52	 From albrow : Harvey, yes, and it comes to education from K - 12 to try to change attitudes - a decades long process
12:04:31	 From Farrukh Khan : Thank you to both speakers, excellent discussions
12:04:37	 From James Beacham : There are decades worth of thought and study on police / prison abolition. Just today, an excellent podcast was posted on The Intercept, a conversation with Ruth Wilson Gilmore, one of the world's experts on abolitionist thinking:

https://theintercept.com/2020/06/10/ruth-wilson-gilmore-makes-the-case-for-abolition/
12:04:43	 From hannahelizabeth : Wren mentioned the resources. PFJ already has a list up — https://www.particlesforjustice.org/resources. In terms of reimagining the police role, check out “Alternatives to Police in Mental Health Response Fact Sheet”, “Alternatives to Calling the Police During Mental Health Crises”, and “A Community Compilation on Police Abolition”
12:04:56	 From Bo Jayatilaka : Thank you both Laura and Bradley for your time today and your work
12:05:06	 From hannahelizabeth : For the police-prison pipeline, Netflix has “The 13th” documentary
12:05:12	 From Jaclyn : Thank you for your comments. :) I'm loving the talks and the comments. Great things to think about. :) 
12:05:20	 From Salvatore Rappoccio : Thanks so much Laura and Bradley, I’ve learned so much.
12:05:24	 From hannahelizabeth : <3
12:05:32	 From Kaushik De : Thanks and stay safe everyone!
12:05:33	 From Dee Hahn : Thank you
12:05:39	 From James Hirschauer : Thank you!
12:05:44	 From Gordon T. Watts : Thank you!!
12:05:55	 From Gabriele Benelli : Thank you indeed!
12:05:57	 From mariana : Thank you!
12:05:59	 From Jeff Ouellette (he/him/his) : Thank you to Laura and Bradley for the talks and discussion!
12:06:04	 From Clara Nellist : Thank you!
12:06:06	 From Pablo : Thank you for the information :)
12:10:03	 From Jennifer Ngadiuba : Thank you for this initiative!
12:11:56	 From Jaclyn : The police had told me this 6 years ago when I worked around them. I take everything that is said to me with a grain of salt, but I can understand how their number of citations to equate to funding from the government can come into play. The government will not give the same amount of funding to a tiny town that they would to a big city. So, these citations, arrests, etc. are statistics that can persuade to more funding for the departments. What is the police doing with the funding? They can reform their training programs and policies. They can reform being so dependent upon funding that can influence their behaviors towards citizens. These are just my 2 humble cents...I know nothing is cut and dry in the world. :( Anyway, thanks for the comments, lots to think about. :)
12:14:52	 From Clara Nellist : Kyle Cranmer
12:15:05	 From Gordon T. Watts : I saw that Kyle - yes.
12:15:36	 From Wren Vetens (They/Them) : Jaclyn, I would recommend looking up some of the comparisons between the budgets cities have for their police departments as opposed to any other publicly funded institution
12:16:53	 From Jackson Burzynski (he/him) : I second Wren’s comment about the budgets. The statistics are shocking. In boston for example, the police budget is 15x the budget allocated for public housing. Police overtime pay alone is twice the public housing budget.
12:16:57	 From Jackson Burzynski (he/him) : https://data.aclum.org/2020/06/05/unpacking-the-boston-police-budget/
12:16:58	 From Wren Vetens (They/Them) : one such example is Los angeles, where the Police budget dwarfs any other budget by an order of magnitude - 3 billion dollars per yer as compared to about 300 million for the rest
12:17:33	 From Hannah Herde (she/hers) : Thank you @Sarah Demers for owning that we are not currently cultivating anti-racism in the LHC community
12:17:50	 From Hannah Herde (she/hers) : @Jackson, thanks - was just about the dig up the Boston list
12:17:54	 From Wren Vetens (They/Them) : Yes, they get more money when they issue more citations. Just like how I would get more money if I started picking people's pockets. The question is - is that money they really need?
12:18:10	 From Hannah Herde (she/hers) : @Wren YEP YEP YEP thanks for highlighting this
12:18:12	 From James Beacham : The lopsided nature of policing budgets are shocking all around the country.
12:19:11	 From Salvatore Rappoccio : Can we table the conversation here related to police so we can answer questions in the panel? We can come back to general questions at the end but we only have 1 hour.
12:19:33	 From Nicholas Manganelli : And the fact that those citations disproportionately harm those in poorer economic situations is the icing on the cake. Or maybe it’s the filling. Or the whole point.
12:21:49	 From Gordon T. Watts : agreed.
12:21:59	 From Stephanie Kwan : Agreed, Indara
12:22:08	 From Hannah Herde (she/hers) : Well said, Indara
12:22:35	 From Gordon T. Watts : definately true.
12:22:37	 From Clara Nellist : Yeah, D&I is not just binary gender
12:22:58	 From meenakshi.narain@cern.ch : please also share your comments in the google docs at the link — https://docs.google.com/document/d/16YqNi3ciiiZ6aFVNkc89KPyEoMLY2UmaIr5OlGOf4uo/edit#
12:23:09	 From meenakshi.narain@cern.ch : Thank you
12:23:24	 From Bo Jayatilaka : https://medium.com/space-anthropology/diversity-is-a-dangerous-set-up-8cee942e7f22
12:23:47	 From Hannah Herde (she/hers) : Yep, white women (myself included) benefit the most: https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryannreid/2020/02/18/what-happens-when-white-women-become-the-face-of-diversity/
12:24:40	 From Stephanie Kwan : ^^ Strongly agree with the article that Bo posted
12:24:41	 From Savannah Thais : Critical point Bo! diversity!=equity
12:25:01	 From Bo Jayatilaka : Credit where it’s due: that is Chanda’s point (in the linked essay)
12:25:35	 From Gordon T. Watts : Yeah - maybe that is key - the structures we have put in place aren't working. So perhaps I shouldn't be thinking about how to improve them as much as how to replace or reform them.
12:27:05	 From Wren Vetens (They/Them) : https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/full/10.1086/704991
12:27:07	 From Bo Jayatilaka : @Gordon I agree that a better focus would be how to replace/reform rather than tweak
12:28:46	 From Salvatore Rappoccio : At the same time, we’re in the single-digits of participation. Individuals will have to be the first step, and that has to come through existing programs.
12:29:06	 From meenakshi.narain@cern.ch : Thank you Wren - you made some very good points
12:30:11	 From mariana : That’s a really important point Elodie
12:30:29	 From Bo Jayatilaka : Excellent point Elodie
12:30:51	 From Clara Nellist : Great point. Silence is loud from some colleagues who repeatedly ignore these issues and instead work on getting themselves ahead…
12:31:01	 From Jaclyn : I agree with Salvatore, individuals are the first steps. We as individuals are free to choose how to respond to what we see happen around us. We need to be able to safely speak up without fear of losing our jobs, getting bullied by others, etc.
12:31:07	 From Hannah Herde (she/hers) : Elodie’s point about interpersonal communication and training also came up in some of the Snowmass discussions
12:31:41	 From jlove@anl.gov : Here is an article on how to be an ally as a person with privilege with examples for everyday interactions:
http://www.scn.org/friends/ally.html
12:32:00	 From Jonathan Long : Maybe this is already widely known, but the TEAM-UP report from the AIP https://www.aip.org/sites/default/files/aipcorp/files/teamup-full-report.pdf is worth reading.  
12:32:04	 From Heather Russell : there’s a growing body of research out there that says online diversity training is basically useless, e.g. https://www.pnas.org/content/116/16/7778. I’d be careful about implementing something like that and saying yay, we did a thing!
12:32:09	 From Gordon T. Watts : Agreed Harrison...
12:32:46	 From Jennifer Adelman-McCarthy : How do we feed the pipeline?  As stated White women have benefited the most from diversity initiatives, and we have worked hard on feeding the pipeline in letting girls know they can do STEM too.  But how do we feed the pipeline in communities where the schools do not have the resources to offer higher math and science.  So that those students enter college on an equal footing
12:33:47	 From Salvatore Rappoccio : @Jennifer we’ll have a discussion about pipelining in a couple of slides.
12:34:35	 From Brenda Fabela Enriquez : Indara, you are making a great point!
12:34:41	 From Hannah Herde (she/hers) : For those connected & reading the chat who are not American, the public school system in the US is run primarily locally, funded to first order by property taxes, so it’s possible to have a school district with loads of resources right next to one that’s severely underfunded. The White Flight to the suburbs made this worse
12:34:53	 From Elodie Resseguie : that is a great point, Indara
12:35:06	 From James Beacham : Harrison, agreed with the need to address the core causes of inequity, but It's useful to keep in mind that "human nature" is usually just a euphemism for "culturally constructed behavior we're accustomed to", and it's challenging to accept this as an explanation for anything.
12:35:07	 From Hannah Herde (she/hers) : “We have to be accountable for what happens in our collaboration. And all of us have seen it” — Indara
12:35:31	 From John Steven De Stefano Jr : But what the “something” is that can be said to someone in whom racism is deeply engrained (possibly without even their own involvement nor awareness) is not always easy to know.
12:35:38	 From Nadja C Strobbe : will someone collect all these good resources that are being shared in the chat? I'm on my phone now because I keep getting dropped and I'm sure I've missed a good number of links
12:35:54	 From Bo Jayatilaka : Nadja there’s a shared google doc that is linked from the agenda
12:36:02	 From Anadi Canepa : Yes we are copying all links to the google doc
12:36:14	 From Gordon T. Watts : Yes, please, organizers, save the chat - it does have a lot of valuable links.
12:36:14	 From Anadi Canepa : https://docs.google.com/document/d/16YqNi3ciiiZ6aFVNkc89KPyEoMLY2UmaIr5OlGOf4uo/edit
12:36:24	 From Anadi Canepa : you should all feel free to add comments and suggestions there as well
12:36:41	 From Salvatore Rappoccio : It’s not up to POCs to educate others on their plight.
12:36:50	 From Gordon T. Watts : (perhaps it could just be appended to that gdoc when done?)
12:38:12	 From Hannah Herde (she/hers) : Plugging again the resources list on particlesforjustice.org: https://www.particlesforjustice.org/resources
12:38:33	 From Joseph : I want to add to that
12:38:58	 From Farrah Simpson : I would like to add as well if possible
12:38:59	 From Anadi Canepa : Yes we should have have you next
12:39:07	 From Valerie Lang : I am very much in favor of diversity or women-supporting programs, but I feel that real change only comes when it beneficial to everyone to act in favor of appreciating diversity and women, e.g. in terms of positions, etc. So, if acting inclusively, is rewarded with positions, then it becomes more the norm. Physics is very competitive, so to ask a bold questions to the panellist who many seem professors: Who would you hire? Do you place value on inclusive behaviour?
12:39:23	 From Javier Duarte : Thank you all for this discussion.
12:39:54	 From varanini@fnal.gov : Fully agree with Bingxuan. Racism is not just a US problem, though it’s being more
12:40:02	 From Clara Nellist : There are many people who share resources online too, so I would recommend following people online and learn from what they are willing to share
12:40:23	 From Wren Vetens (They/Them) : The US is like a petri dish - It's a microcosm for a lot of problems the rest of the world has
12:41:17	 From varanini@fnal.gov : more tragically visible in the US right now. We white Europeans should seriously reflect on our own racism (which here expresses itself more on immigrants) in our own ways
12:41:28	 From meenakshi.narain@cern.ch : As USCMS and USATLAS we should collect the resources and help each other grow! We will collect links to resources.
12:42:04	 From Gordon T. Watts : @Valarie - there are lots of structures in place in hiring (at least at my institution, and I imagine most others). But I think, much like other things we've discussed, they are not working well enough.
12:42:13	 From Lothar Bauerdick : One thought we had in organizing this event was to *today* focus on the US issues, and have a follow-up on the broader issues
12:42:15	 From Yann Coadou : Check out participants: by far not just USATLAS/CMS 
12:42:35	 From Sabine Lammers : Indeed, Tulika.   I was told by senior colleagues that they would not get involved in today’s activities because they were “political” and therefore could be easily dismissed.
12:42:40	 From Deepa Thomas : I would request to include USA-ALICE for sharing these resources. Though a smaller community, it would help us as well
12:43:09	 From Gordon T. Watts : +1, Deepa
12:43:10	 From Chip Brock : Sabine: that’s really sad.
12:43:15	 From meenakshi.narain@cern.ch : Yes - @Yann - we extended out invite to invited to few external participants too - when they ask
12:43:15	 From varanini@fnal.gov : Thanks Lothar, I did not know that. I think it’s right to focus on the US right know, given the urgency of current events.
12:43:51	 From Jaclyn : You can train, training is to help educate. But, it also comes down to how you choose to respond when you see racism happening. This is on an individual level. We operate in organizations here in the USA that we brush everything under the rug when we see bad things happen, such as racism. This needs to stop. People need to be held accountable and people should be allowed to speak up without fear of losing their jobs or being bullied by others. 
12:45:51	 From Gordon T. Watts : I think this is key, @Jacklyn - like continuing from above, making it possible/easy for someone to call out someone else when they make a statement. The power dynamics can be awful in a academic problem, and stand in the way. Perhaps this is, in academia, part of the way structural racism lives on.
12:45:55	 From Hannah Herde (she/hers) : Indara Suarez - “We don’t need a meeting like today to talk about antiracism”
12:46:04	 From meenakshi.narain@cern.ch : @DEEPA - we can share it with all interested. Including USA-ALICE
12:46:21	 From Deepa Thomas : Thanks
12:46:31	 From Hannah Herde (she/hers) : [[Are we close-captioning/recording? If so, I am happy to check/improve the close-captioning next week. I’m defending tomorrow & then taking some time off]]
12:46:48	 From Bo Jayatilaka : yes, Otter.ai (link on the top-left of the window)
12:46:51	 From Garvita Agarwal : https://otter.ai/v/qH7sLRbJnrMPUAe8dmfplF4y9TZQ3cki
12:46:54	 From Gordon T. Watts : (as an aside, so everyone knows, I shared this meeting with all of ATLAS's Diversity and Inclusion form, which has several 100 people subscribed).
12:46:54	 From meenakshi.narain@cern.ch : We are not recording.
12:46:56	 From John Steven De Stefano Jr : @Jaclyn This is true but begs exactly my point: you can’t blame people for not being “accountable” if they have no idea how to do that, what the proper response is to a racist comment, how to speak up when they see something happening, etc. I’m not sure training in its traditional form can address s this.
12:47:01	 From Jeff Ouellette (he/him/his) : I’m spitballing a bit but maybe even just requiring a commitment to promoting equity (or to speaking out against inequity?) even to authorship (maybe too extreme?) or something like that could be a starting point to improve involvement. Something that would bind everyone in the culture to this commitment and says “this is a priority collaboration-wide, from the top down”
12:47:04	 From meenakshi.narain@cern.ch : We have automated captioning.
12:47:24	 From Jaclyn : It happens in academia and in private and public organizations and businesses. Unfortunately. :( 
12:47:37	 From smeehan12@gmail.com : On the point of Africa, if you are interested, I would encourage you to look into this - https://www.nexteinstein.org/apply/teach/ -
12:47:49	 From smeehan12@gmail.com : I spent a year there teaching, and have gone back twice as a lecturer
12:48:08	 From Jannicke Andree Pearkes : Fully agree with Indara. Getting people in involved who typically are not involved in diversity issues means making the space for a lot of these conversations in regular meetings/group lunches. Bring these issues up!
12:48:09	 From smeehan12@gmail.com : If you are interested, I would love to put together a class with anyone in this community
12:48:43	 From Rebeca Gonzalez Suarez : Another +1 to what Indara said (now and before) !
12:48:54	 From Bo Jayatilaka : Not just making space, but actually establishing them as priorities in our careers (And not just “hobbies” for those who care)
12:49:06	 From Jannicke Andree Pearkes : ^ Yes!
12:49:41	 From Harrison Prosper : Racism is a human disease that exists everywhere. Some of us cannot wait for this disease to be eradicated, which is why l advocate changes in how we go about our business; how we identify talent; how we promote; how we reduce the biases we all share, and how we make it the norm to call out all forms of discrimination and incivility.
12:49:56	 From smeehan12@gmail.com : I missed who made the comment about developing nations and how Fermilab/CERN could possibly reach out, could someone say who it was?
12:50:17	 From Matthew Citron : mike albrow
12:50:24	 From smeehan12@gmail.com : great, thanks!
12:50:41	 From James Beacham : Many of us have been tweeting about this event, too, so it's certainly a larger audience than just ATLAS and CMS.
12:51:02	 From Gordon T. Watts : In ATLAS at each collaboration meeting there is a short talk by the Diversity and Inclusion committee in the plenary session. When I've given that talk, I've seen lots of laptops open up... I think we need something more...
12:51:06	 From Yann Coadou : I meant it's larger than the US
12:51:21	 From Lothar Bauerdick : Thank you Bo
12:51:24	 From Gordon T. Watts : Agree, @Bo
12:51:42	 From smeehan12@gmail.com : @gordon - shut the wifi off during that talk to make the point?
12:51:53	 From Gordon T. Watts : :-)
12:51:58	 From Gordon T. Watts : Academic structural racism.
12:52:04	 From Ejiro : Agree @Bo
12:52:21	 From Salvatore Rappoccio : Better than “forcing inclusion” by turning off wifi: Have appropriate representation in the physics talks.
12:52:29	 From Kaushik De : @Gordon: create a wall where people can post what they have done to enhance diversity and inclusion personally?
12:52:38	 From agni bethani : Unconcious bias workshops for everyone!
12:52:43	 From agni bethani : i am not kidding
12:52:46	 From Gordon T. Watts : That is an interesting idea, @Kaushik
12:52:58	 From Savannah Thais : @agni those often don't really help though 
12:53:00	 From Jahred Adelman : turning off wifi sounds good, but potentially just pisses people off and is counter-productive (it shouldn’t, but it might)
12:53:15	 From Bradley Graupner (Mr. / He / Him / His) : If it hasn’t been mentioned, a resource in the spirit of the discussion of anti-racist, institutional, academic transformation: https://www.citeblackwomencollective.org
12:53:17	 From Jahred Adelman : and yes, @gordon, i have seen that too :(
12:53:22	 From Toyoko Orimoto : FullyFully agree with what Indara said. If we want actual change, we need to go far beyond what is comfortable and continue to have sustained conversations and actions
12:53:26	 From Farrah Simpson : Agreed and I think it is important in these workshops to stress how these issues affect us all.
12:53:28	 From Gordon T. Watts : I think there is data on what happens when you have forced inclusion events... I think there are even papers on this.
12:54:06	 From Farrah Simpson : And also acknowledge that as an international collaboration that we are all entering the conversation at different points in our understanding and knowledge
12:54:26	 From Sridhara Dasu : One of the problems is that any racist behavior is treated as an HR problem by our institutions, and any action taken is shrouded in secrecy. As such many in power within our collaborations are getting away with extremely poor behavior in “closed” meetings, e.g., those of search committees and steering committees.
12:54:43	 From Valerie Lang : @Gordon I know that there are many strategies in place already, but I mean hiring also in the broader context of e.g. appointing to convenerships or any other Positions of leadership. Is it rewarded in our discussion culture if conveners are allowing and encouraging contributions from younger, less experienced people or are we brushing people off? And is it then accepted if a publication is taking a bit longer because tasks are given to people who maybe are still learning. Is it beneficial to invest time and energy in other Topics outside the main Analysis - which might lead to slower Progress? I have the feeling sometimes that things like this would be needed to have more inclusive behaviour.
12:55:23	 From Hannah Herde (she/hers) : “Racism is not an unconscious thing. There are actual structural barriers that exist for people of color, Black people, in our field…. These terms of diversity and inclusion are a lot of the times treated as commodities of our institutions” — Indara Suarez
12:55:30	 From Kaushik De : @Gordon: to be clear, not a wall of catharsis, which we sometimes need, like today has tended to be, but a wall of doing things like going to a minority school and teaching STEM. This will allow people to feel good about doing things, and provide support to their peers.
12:55:36	 From meenakshi.narain@cern.ch : Continual trainings and seminars on unconscious biases re making little different. People hide behind “I am learning to work on my unconscious bias”, — I am personally tired of hearing about it. People have to make more effort to work on it for themselves. And  racism is not due to unconscious bias.
12:56:31	 From Hannah Herde (she/hers) : Action, not lip service — “This is a moment for you to reflect on yourself. What are your true actions that are supporting antiracism…and not just going along with what your institution’s diversity and inclusion statement says” — Indara Suarez
12:56:50	 From Brenda Fabela Enriquez : I totally agree with you, Indara! We need to look at our true actions! Otherwise, we will continue in the same place.
12:56:54	 From Sridhara Dasu : Racism is definitely a conscious and overt bias.
12:57:41	 From Toyoko Orimoto : Also agree with Bo—for some people, they have no choice but to deal with racism on a daily basis, while others they the privilege of working in diversity & inclusion as a “hobby” or “service”. We must all do the work to combat racism.
12:59:01	 From agni bethani : for some people, especially people who consider themselves “woke” bias might be unconscious.
13:00:09	 From agni bethani : I did not mean that it is always unconscious.I apologise for coming across this way
13:01:54	 From Savannah Thais : Something my undergrad did that was pretty successful was having free drop in tutoring for core subjects. The goal was to help first year students from different backgrounds 'caught up' while still taking the regular first year classes. Departments could implement something like that? 
13:01:57	 From Hannah Herde (she/hers) : “Students have to be paid a living wage, they have to have health insurance” - Wren Vetens
13:02:20	 From Mark Neubauer : Great point, Indara, also related to the point of internships. Its not enough to bring in, we must create the right environment and mentoring for them to succeed. Paying attention to the serious challenges and systemic problem that exist there.
13:02:39	 From Stephanie Kwan : I have to go now, but thank you to the organizers for hosting this
13:02:54	 From John Steven De Stefano Jr : Thank you. Some great points made, but simply repeating a speaker’s point and +1-ing in the chat have been a bit off-putting and frankly drowning out some other, independent, legitimate points and questions. But for certain, much to consider overall, and I appreciate and will use the resources given. Thanks again. Bye.
13:04:22	 From Jaclyn : People are being feared into not speaking up when they see racism happening. Fear is how dictation operates. We need to push through the fear, come together as one human race, and speak up when we see racism happening. The higher ups in both private and public organizations need to stop brushing under the rug when bad things happen and they are approached about it. In private organizations, people get fired because they speak up. This has got to stop. People do not speak up due to fear of retaliation by others, including their supervisors, etc. because organizations look at it as "rocking the boat" when really you are being a human and trying to stop racism from happening to other human beings. "Taking the heat" for others can lead to individuals losing their jobs and livelihoods. We have got to push through the fear as individuals and not stand for this kind of treatment towards anyone. The higher administrations, both in public and private sectors, need to be held accountable when they brush under the rug.
13:05:21	 From Jaclyn : Sorry for the rant, I'm just tired of higher-ups in all organizations (public or private) controlling how racism, sexism, etc. is influenced. :( Just call me Norma Rae. :D :D 
13:09:23	 From Rui Zou : When I was an undergrad in Berkeley I significantly benefitted from the Berkeley Compass project which offered a free summer program to selected underprivileged physics incoming students to help them transition into college life. Once school started each student involved in the program was paired with a graduate student mentor. There were weekly office hours and special physics classes hosted by grad students. I felt very comfortable sharing my struggles inside that community and that’s also where I became educated of the struggles of other minority groups. I truly believe programs like this have great benefits.
13:09:53	 From Bingxuan Liu : My previous comment might have been misinterpreted. I did not mean to say that it is not my duty to educate myself. I very much want to learn and do better. I also believe many of our colleagues from various countries are willing to. I My point was that when you (an US person who knows this topic better) are having a discussion with a colleague with different cultural backgrounds, thinking about what he or she should know about this and try to find the most effective way to share the good thoughts. Merely assuming a person with different background should know as much as you do does not help. The levels of awareness are at very different levels. When you hear someone making a comment you do not like, instead of walking away and criticizing, maybe try to have a constructive conversation. That could be one of the actions I suppose?
13:10:38	 From Sameer E : As an undergraduate student, I've learned a lot from these presentations and discussions and will take these points to heart going forward. I have to go now, but thank you to everyone for organizing and attending this.
13:11:32	 From Ariel Schwartzman : Starting in 7th grade (in the school district where I live), students are placed in math “tracks”, or “lines” such that by the end of high school, there is a huge gap in education between students from rich/poor families. In this system, students from less privileged families are systematically discriminated and kept behind in low performing tracks rather than supporting those students. This system has broad support from most parents and teachers in my son’s school.
13:11:45	 From albrow : Suggestion: Fermilab or USCMS step up a 1-year internship program e.g. ISC = Internships for Students of Color. Graduating (BSc) Physics students with good grades can apply and get a year paid experience at Fermilab on an experiment (or on CMS).
13:12:17	 From Mark Neubauer : Related to this Cecilla’s point, in searches and recruitment, all too often members focus on peer institutions. But this can be a source of implicit bias since many students cannot afford such universities and this can be a serious selection bias that limits opportunities and mobility
13:13:12	 From Conor Henderson : Could I ask a question, please? It would be about building extended communities to support people from under-represented groups across institutions?
13:14:19	 From Ang : my school district had a similar thing than Ariel pointed out, but the different tracks went to a completely different school so some students that did want to attend didn’t even get the opportunity because they couldn’t get to the schools
13:14:40	 From Candice Basson : I agree with Bing, I come from a very different background in someways, especially race than the UK or US and have had people be very aggressive in correcting me, when it was a simple misunderstanding or culture clash. I will happily adjust but it’s difficult when people assume you are in the same position as them and get angry when you don’t follow.
13:14:52	 From Murtaza S : As a graduate student of color I’ve definitely experienced some of these factors that we’re discussing. I just want to say that, at least as it applies to undergraduate physics education, I think there’s always 2 factors that play most at disadvantaging students of color: artificially low representation in the physics student body (which makes student of color feel isolated) and also a certain competitive ruthlessness that feels necessary to succeed. I think quite a few other departments and disciplines have already done good on this front and see better student retention, but I think physics is lacking here. Perhaps there needs to be a closer examination of why this ruthlessness persists in undergraduate physics education and if we can do something to address that?
13:17:12	 From Valerie Lang : I also have a question.
13:20:30	 From Bo Jayatilaka : that is a great transition to the next slide :)
13:20:39	 From Anadi Canepa : yes
13:22:39	 From Lothar Bauerdick : And the international collaborations
13:23:51	 From Gordon T. Watts : +1 what we can do in the international collaboration, and perhaps US CMS and US ATLAS can also help effect these things by applying a unified front.
13:24:35	 From Lothar Bauerdick : (Yes, just wanted to explicitly add the international collaboration to the list on this slide)
13:25:10	 From Gordon T. Watts : @sal, same in ATLAS - single digits
13:26:20	 From Lothar Bauerdick : I perceive the same mechanisms we’re discussing here happening across the collaboration to people who don’t look or “act” European
13:27:06	 From Sarah C. Eno : https://www.nsf.gov/funding/pgm_summ.jsp?pims_id=505289&org=NSF&sel_org=NSF&from=fund
13:27:12	 From Lothar Bauerdick : I don’t think experiment leadership is “attuned” to it
13:27:50	 From Gordon T. Watts : Agreed, Lothar.
13:27:51	 From tulika.bose@cern.ch : I agree with Lothar - we need to get the leadership at all levels in the experiments to be in tune with this
13:28:44	 From Jaclyn : Lothar is right. Agreed.
13:30:34	 From Sarah Demers : Yes, structural change requires the leadership to be activated.
13:30:45	 From Gordon T. Watts : +1 @meenakshi - that was so much work.
13:31:33	 From Lothar Bauerdick : Antiracism is activisiom against power structures, obviously there will be push back
13:31:34	 From Wren Vetens (They/Them) : Well, historically, structural change also comes about through an abolition of the leadership as well... ;)
13:31:56	 From tulika.bose@cern.ch : I agree with Meenakshi - we have to fight for changes at the  collaboration level
13:32:02	 From Kaushik De : Everyone needs to get out of our comfort zones and take risks. Push for change.
13:32:42	 From Jaclyn : Push through the fear as an individual and do the right thing. If many people do it, it becomes a collaboration of doing what is right. The "leaders" who are choosing to ignore will be forced to face the issues. I quote Annie Clark, "Fight the power." We only allow what we choose to accept as a civilization. Change happens when you allow for change by changing yourself and changing your attitude. :) 
13:32:47	 From James Beacham : The statements were embarrassing.
13:32:50	 From Lothar Bauerdick : Leadership is afraid too
13:32:57	 From James Beacham : Institutional statements.
13:33:12	 From Lothar Bauerdick : It will help them to see how broad the push for change is
13:33:17	 From Gordon T. Watts : @FNAL did much better.
13:34:15	 From meenakshi.narain@cern.ch : @FNAL did better when many pushed back after the first statement by FNAL director
13:34:37	 From Grace Haza : yes, the first FNAL statement was not great
13:34:37	 From Gordon T. Watts : That is excellent. I'm very happy that executive management was responsive to that push.
13:34:39	 From Lothar Bauerdick : Yes, activism works, even at Fermilab
13:35:16	 From tulika.bose@cern.ch : I think we need to get organized and push back at the CERN/experiment level
13:35:27	 From Bo Jayatilaka : @Gordon, as Meenakshi said, a lot of pressure had to be applied at FNAL
13:35:27	 From tulika.bose@cern.ch : in large numbers
13:35:46	 From Wren Vetens (They/Them) : tulika YES! 
13:35:49	 From Gordon T. Watts : I think the large numbers are important.
13:36:15	 From James Beacham : An open letter to CERN from a large number of independent LHC-related scientists would go a long way.
13:36:32	 From Salvatore Rappoccio : CERN needs a User’s Organization.
13:36:33	 From Mark Neubauer : +1 James
13:36:39	 From Bo Jayatilaka : re: pushback, it really needs to come from people at the PI level. one way of this being dismissed is that it’s just coming from young people who don’t understand “reality”
13:36:55	 From Candice Basson : would like to see CERN (and others) make a genuine, real commitment not just ‘we re-affrim’
13:36:56	 From Gordon T. Watts : +1 James.
13:37:04	 From James Beacham : It's one thing for a few of us who are known to be vocal to email Fabiola and James Gillies, but it's another to have a letter with 1000s of signatures.
13:37:36	 From Nicholas Manganelli : +1 Sal
13:38:00	 From Savannah Thais : @Bo, totally agree that it should come from PIs...does anyone have advice on how to advocate to your PI for this? Mine has said nothing about any of this 
13:38:02	 From Matthew Citron : each person directly emailing management separately (using a template) reinforces the size behind the movement
13:38:14	 From Alexx Perloff : If I may offer a suggestion, take these actions at the PI level back to your postdocs and graduate students so they can learn what to do when they become PIs. Even if they shouldn’t/can’t be part of the letter (or other form of “push-back”), let them know about the actions taken so that they can be better ally when they become pIs.
13:38:35	 From Murtaza S : Just wanted to add another point from a grad student perspective. It certainly feels very isolating sometimes when I become aware of the racial makeup of the folks at lunch at CERN sometimes, though I find it best to put that thought aside to continue business as usual. Someone mentioned that CERN has members from all around the world, yet is seems like the pool of scholars doesn’t always reflect that, and maybe this has to do with the fact that we’re picking from a certain biased pool of universities?
13:38:46	 From tulika.bose@cern.ch : there are several PI level people connected to this meeting. We can start with that
13:38:51	 From tulika.bose@cern.ch : and invite others
13:39:29	 From Gordon T. Watts : I am happy to be part of that group.
13:41:04	 From Nicholas Manganelli : Or even earlier, with math and science education!
13:42:12	 From Salvatore Rappoccio : We don’t have direct professional impact on primary education, so from a “cost benefit” analysis standpoint, it’s important to do things for which we are professionally impactful.
13:42:13	 From Jennifer Adelman-McCarthy : agreed the pipeline problem starts in elementary and Jr High school.  Getting through College Physics if you go to a HS that doesn’t offer physics, or higher level math is difficult at best if not impossible
13:43:48	 From Gordon T. Watts : Support, Chip.
13:43:49	 From Jennifer Adelman-McCarthy : WE CAN have a professional impact by doing outreach,
13:44:09	 From Lothar Bauerdick : How about starting an “Antiracist and Antisexist Faculty Club”, like as a subchapter to the broader movement
13:44:09	 From Stefan Richter : ❤️ Chip
13:44:14	 From Farrah Simpson : Thank you for sharing that Chip
13:44:17	 From agni bethani : <3 Chip
13:44:23	 From Mark Neubauer : Thanks Chip
13:44:26	 From Salvatore Rappoccio : Thanks Chip
13:44:28	 From Lauren Hay : Thank you, Chip. Very moving.
13:44:31	 From Nicholas Manganelli : Thanks
13:44:34	 From Jaclyn : But it's not solely a USA problem. People of color are being trafficked all around the world. They are being treated less than they should be through human trafficking. :( The USA problem is just a small piece of it for people of color. :( 
13:44:59	 From Bo Jayatilaka : Thank you Meenakshi, Anadi, and Tulika for organizing
13:45:21	 From Maral Alyari : Yes! Thank you!
13:45:24	 From Farrah Simpson : Thank you so much to everyone for the great discussion and a great learning experience. Thank you to the organizers.
13:45:26	 From Chip Brock : I think I’ve never broken up in a physics meeting before.
13:45:40	 From Wren Vetens (They/Them) : The USA is a petri-dish. All the horrid diseases plaguing the rest of the world are allowed to fester within its borders in an ideal environment
13:45:41	 From Gordon T. Watts : <3
13:45:42	 From Jaclyn : Yes, thank you, this has been an amazing discussion.
13:45:42	 From Gabriele Benelli : Thank you!
13:45:46	 From Stefan Richter : Thank you for organising. It was exceptionally interesting and, I think, impactful.
13:45:49	 From Stephane Willocq : thanks for organizing this event
13:45:52	 From Jennifer Adelman-McCarthy : <3 thanks for sharing Chip
13:46:01	 From Harrison Prosper : t
13:46:02	 From Jaclyn : ;
13:46:04	 From Elodie Resseguie : I hope we can more of these discussion meetings, to keep us accountable
13:46:04	 From Ejiro : @Fingerscrossed
13:46:10	 From Titas Roy : thank you for organizing this!
13:46:15	 From Andrei Ruckenstein : As an outsider to this community (I’m chair of Physics at BU) I feel that the LHC community is uniquely placed to contribute at a different level, in ways that none of our institutions could begin to address individually. The qualitative difference a community of this size and reputation can begin to address is the early stages of the pipeline which is really what limits the diversity of our community. Also, what must separate the general diversity issue from balcklivesmatter -  the black issue is dramatically different as some of our blacks students have explained to me in dramatic terms. I suggested to the BU Physics Department to watch the James Baldwin documentary “I am not your Negro”.
13:46:16	 From Wren Vetens (They/Them) : Any US problem points, in a way, to a global problem.
13:46:20	 From Jeff Ouellette (he/him/his) : Thank you to everyone for putting this together. I learned a lot about these issues and what I can do going forward
13:46:20	 From Harrison Prosper : Thank you Chip, l couldn’t have said this better
13:46:24	 From James Beacham : Stay outraged, keep focused, don't stop.
13:46:31	 From Gordon T. Watts : Thank you!!!
13:46:34	 From María Cepeda : Thank you so very much to the organisers
13:46:47	 From Candice Basson : thank you all!
13:46:47	 From Loan : Thank you!
13:46:50	 From Jackson Burzynski (he/him) : with the chat transcript be posted to the indico?
13:46:58	 From Dee Hahn : Thank you everyone.
13:47:03	 From Jackson Burzynski (he/him) : thank you!
13:47:03	 From Kaushik De : Thanks and take care all
13:47:03	 From Gabriele Benelli : Thank you All! It’s been very useful and touching for all of us!
13:47:07	 From Nicholas Manganelli : Thanks everyone!
13:47:07	 From Clara Nellist : Thank you all!