Gas systems weekly project meeting

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32/1-A24 (CERN)

32/1-A24

CERN

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gas systems project meeting
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62095888225
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Beatrice Mandelli
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piquet:

02/10

CLOUD

TRD O2

next week few slides on CLOUD -> LPh

 

25/9

TRD O2 alarm -> TICKET LPh to look at trends

 

04/09

nothing

 

28/8

ATLAS-TRT sensor in distribution not working. Alarm blocked 6324(?) elog to be done -> TICKET

 

21/8

NA62 straw mixer CO2 supply -> TICKET

MDT flowcells rack 68 chn 11-22-> TICKET -> solved by Pieter. check elog/jira

new tickedt from Philipp for some channel MDT -> check ticket

CMS-FGR problem --> TICKET no action taken by the piquet. Temperature/Pressure/(difference setpoint vs measured flow in MFC) --> 2nd TICKET 

 

14/8

ATLAS-RPC low pressure buffer. It seems it is happening also for ALICE MID (here for purif)

 

 

7/8

nothing

 

24/7

MWPC purif non-return valve blocking to check??? TICKET 

 

 

17/7

CMS-RPC same as last week -> TICKET Hervè

CMS-FGR humidity check

 

10/7

CMS-RPC - Purifier1 Column A pressure too high during regeneration ->  [GASSYSTEMS-716] CMS-RPC - Purifier1 Column A pressure too high during regeneration - CERN Central Jira

LHCb-RICH1 Purif ColB too important pressure drop -> solved. TICKET open close.

 

 

3/7

CMS-RPC purifier 3 heating tape -> [GASSYSTEMS-708] CMS-RPC purifier 3 heating tape problem - CERN Central Jira

CMS FGR off due to problem -> [GASSYSTEMS-709] CMS FGR off due to problem after valve replacement - CERN Central Jira

Alarms blocked
TPC: mixer injection too long, PV4003, MFC5002 profibus
TRD: mixer not in run, purifier columns 
MID: profibus in mixer
RPC: electrical status
TFC: DSS hardware interlock 
SciFi: electrical status

26/6

CMS-FGR Huber alarm -> [GASSYSTEMS-710] CMS-FGR Huber alarm - CERN Central Jira Maria Cristina already sent info to LaboTech

CMS-FGR dewpoint alarm -> [GASSYSTEMS-711] CMS-FGR dewpoint alarm when no flow at input of recovery - CERN Central Jira can we do something to avoid?

CMS N2 flow -> delay on the alarm? 2 minutes? check limits? [GASSYSTEMS-712] CMS N2 flow and alarms - CERN Central Jira

 

19/6

ATLAS-RPC rack 66 chamber pressure fluctuations --> [GASSYSTEMS-689] ATLAS-RPC rack 66 chamber pressure fluctuations - CERN Central Jira

CMS-DT pump --> [GASSYSTEMS-691] CMS-DT pump broken (motor?) - CERN Central Jira  & Miguel to follow-up -> TO BE SEND TO KNF  

8/5

ATLAS-RPC heating tape not working -> [GASSYSTEMS-632] ATLAS-RPC heating tape not working - CERN Central Jira (replace heating tape + separate power supply easy for 2 and 3, purif 1 during LS3) [GASSYSTEMS-670] ATLAS-RPC Purif 3 ColB repair - CERN Central Jira

 

RICH1 pump regulation alarm and gas consumption check needed --> [GASSYSTEMS-634] RICH1 update C4F10 consumption - CERN Central Jira

RICH1 pressure difference like in ALICE TRD -> [GASSYSTEMS-635] RICH1 pressure difference like in ALICE TRD - CERN Central Jira

 

24/4

ATLAS-TGC 2nd liquifier to be tested -> [GASSYSTEMS-636] ATLAS-TGC 2nd liquifier to be tested - CERN Central Jira

 

10/4

ALICE-MID purifier temperature HH alarm -> [GASSYSTEMS-600] ALICE-MID purifier temperature HH alarm - CERN Central Jira

 

3/4

CMS-RPC purif 1 not doing vacuum during regeneration [GASSYSTEMS-590] CMS-RPC purif 1 not doing vacuum during regeneration - CERN Central Jira

need to be tested after maintenance of the pump. update ticket.

 

ALICE-TRD Xe recuperation how to inject [GASSYSTEMS-591] ALICE-TRD Xe recuperation how to inject: procedure - CERN Central Jira

 

some clear text for electrical status page in winccoa --> [GASSYSTEMS-657] some clear text for electrical status page in winccoa - CERN Central Jira

 

ALICE, ATLAS, CMS IR iC4H10 calibration bottles & SF6 -> [GASSYSTEMS-658] ALICE, ATLAS, CMS IR iC4H10 calibration bottles & SF6 - CERN Central Jira

 

 

ALICE

70 report from Anité [GASSYSTEMS-70] TPC gas quality - filters to Benoit - CERN Central Jira (I don't see the report, can you please add it?)

TRD is leak back? [GASSYSTEMS-568] ALICE TRD leak search tests/interventions log - CERN Central Jira   

TRD membrane to remove from the loop -> leak increased with membrane module in loop TICKET

TRT leak issue still ongoing -> update ticket

several alarms blocked: [GASSYSTEMS-628] ALICE alarms blocked - CERN Central Jira

TOF gas mixture analysis -> [GASSYSTEMS-639] TOF gas mixture analysis - CERN Central Jira & ELOG

TRD membrane is connected ? -> [GASSYSTEMS-717] TRD membrane status - CERN Central Jira

P&ID drawing check who is doing -> [GASSYSTEMS-736] ALICE P&ID drawing check - CERN Central Jira

MID swap of pumps during MD because sometime the system stop -> TICKET

 

 

 

ATLAS

TS1->MDT frequency converter (need to be replaced TICKET), RPC distribution rack regulation valve (TICKET), RPC secondary mixer (TICKET)

MDT pressure sensors -> Pieter TICKET done

RPC purif 3 circuit breakers & meeting -> [GASSYSTEMS-718] RPC purif 3 electrical issue - CERN Central Jira --> meeting when?

problem with n-penthane tank level measurement -> [GASSYSTEMS-603] TGC problem with n-penthane tank level measurement - CERN Central Jira

ATLAS-TGC flow difference --> [GASSYSTEMS-612] ATLAS-TGC flow difference - CERN Central Jira

ATLAS ID flushing follow up of incident of 10 April --> [GASSYSTEMS-614] ATLAS ID flushing follow up of incident of 10 April - CERN Central Jira  

VERY IMPORTANT:   [GASSYSTEMS-618] ATLAS ID flushing change of gas procedure, dewpoint warning and alarms - CERN Central Jira

several alarms blocked: [GASSYSTEMS-629] ATLAS alarms blocked - CERN Central Jira

TGC differential pressure sensor for pump filter: is it there? if not why? -> [GASSYSTEMS-640] TGC differential pressure sensor for pump filter: is it there? if not why? - CERN Central Jira

ATLAS-RPC Purif 3 to be regenerated -> follow-up [GASSYSTEMS-670] ATLAS-RPC Purif 3 ColB repair - CERN Central Jira COMPLETED?

MDT analysis after pump -> probably there is already a TICKET check - pipe installed

ATLAS-TGC pressure -> [GASSYSTEMS-730] TGC Broken pressure sensor Rack 61 to replace - CERN Central Jira 

P&ID drawing check who is doing -> [GASSYSTEMS-737] ATLAS P&ID drawing check - CERN Central Jira

MDT pressure sensors in rack 63 --> TICKET from Philipp. Probably faulty sensor identified.

elog 6704 and 6705 for work to be done when MattiaB absent (Andrea and Fabio) -> Andrea, Damiano

TRT one valve leaking and one pressure sensor to check -> TICKET Gianluca, Davide, Jo, Fabio will do tomorrow 05/09 

nC5H12 refill for GIF -> follow ticket and/or UPDATE

 

 

CMS

RPC purif 3 circuit breakers & meeting --> STEMS-718] RPC purif 3 electrical issue - CERN Central Jira --> meeting when?

RPC purif 3 test col B after replacement of heating tape -> TICKET

RPC purif 3 test col B now after the current regulator is leaking -> TICKET or check

RPC purif 3 ATLAS & CMS. After how many cycles we have the problem? -> TICKET 

R134a insulation - isol'tut to check and see what to do -> ticket IO [GASSYSTEMS-578] R134a insulation - isol'tut to check and see what to do - CERN Central Jira

How much gas flow we need for the RPC purifier? --> OFFLINE with Maria Cristina [GASSYSTEMS-579] CMS-RPC How much gas flow we need for the RPC purifiers? - CERN Central Jira

RPC bypass pump too much closed --> [GASSYSTEMS-604] RPC bypass pump too much closed - CERN Central Jira

RPC H2O ExhToDist    CMSAUX_An_XANA9319AS 159 5000 ppm, but is it not normal? --> [GASSYSTEMS-605] RPC H2O ExhToDist 5000 ppm is ok? - CERN Central Jira

RPC double flow test -> ticket? exists? [GASSYSTEMS-392] RPC test of double the flow in one rack - CERN Central Jira

RPC with CO2 like ATLAS and effect on R134a recuperation -> [GASSYSTEMS-606] RPC with CO2 like ATLAS and effect on R134a recuperation - CERN Central Jira

GEM chamber pressure alarm for stop -> ticket with GEM responsible [GASSYSTEMS-580] GEM chamber pressure alarm for stop - CERN Central Jira

R134a Upgrade (hardware and software) to be tested -> [GASSYSTEMS-594] R134a Upgrade (hardware and software) to be tested - CERN Central Jira

alarms blocked: [GASSYSTEMS-630] CMS alarms blocked - CERN Central Jira

DT vaisala reading difference between SG and US -> [GASSYSTEMS-677] CMS DT vaisala reading difference between SG and US - CERN Central Jira

test KNF pump for R134a recuperation --> [GASSYSTEMS-643] test KNF pump for R134a recuperation - CERN Central Jira

CMS-FGR -> TICKET should we add a module. Do we need to buy something? follow-up

CMS-FGR -> TICKET Maria Cristina già fatto per bypass

CMS-FGR -> TICKET flowmeter for Huber

P&ID drawing check who is doing -> [GASSYSTEMS-738] CMS P&ID drawing check - CERN Central Jira

CMS-RPC IR not stable -> elog Maria Cristina -> TICKET

 

GEM 904 would like to move their mixer to PLC -> ticket already exists. check  [GASSYSTEMS-468] Re: 904 GEM gas system - CERN Central Jira

CSC 904 new panels -> for LS3 -> ticket Andrea? [GASSYSTEMS-581] CSC at 904 - CERN Central Jira

RPC 904 new line -> ticket Andrea? [GASSYSTEMS-582] RPC 904 new line - CERN Central Jira

RPC904 cleaning of lines -> follow ticket [GASSYSTEMS-556] 904 RPC gas distribution panels not working properly - CERN Central Jira

 

 

 

LHCb

TS1-> RICH1 leak search (postponed), SciFi some work from others expected

RICH1 water cooling -> [GASSYSTEMS-719] RICH1 water cooling - CERN Central Jira and workshop need?

RICH2 CO2 from purifier-> check how to decrease-> ticket IO [GASSYSTEMS-585] RICH2 [CO2] from purifier-> check how to decrease - CERN Central Jira

RICH2 form where the CO2 entered -> from backup? how long was it in stop? -> [GASSYSTEMS-607] RICH2 form where the CO2 entered -> from backup? how long was it in stop? - CERN Central Jira

RICH1 what we learn from 1st fill -> [GASSYSTEMS-608] RICH1 what we learn from 1st fill - CERN Central Jira

for example: RICH1 membrane bypass is a problem?

summary of the C4F10 bottles --> TICKET or ELOG -> [GASSYSTEMS-660] summary of the C4F10 bottles - CERN Central Jira

alarms blocked: [GASSYSTEMS-631] LHCb alarms blocked - CERN Central Jira

RICH2 IR calibration -> [GASSYSTEMS-661] RICH2 IR calibration - CERN Central Jira

RICH1 should we add some Ni to the purif? ask Christopf -> [GASSYSTEMS-662] RICH1 should we add some Ni to the purif? - CERN Central Jira

RICH1 C4F10 consumption --> TICKET Maria Cristina or update 

4 gr/y -> 2 ppm? 3000 ppm -~> 4 kg/y

RICH2 filter blocking -> [GASSYSTEMS-731] RICH2 pump filter differential pressure sensor not working - CERN Central Jira

P&ID drawing check who is doing -> [GASSYSTEMS-739] LHCb P&ID drawing check - CERN Central Jira

RICH1 cleaning , when? not before mid-september? -> TICKET 

RICH1 recuperation. Software (8-10/9) and hardware (Davide, Damiano, Patrick, Jo, Mech 8-10/9, insulation and 3T and 1 4-20mA) modif. then ready for recuperation

cleaning at earliest on Spet22nd, otherwise next MD Oct 6th. --> TICKET

RICH1 remove membrane rack before end of HL-LHC operation and/or change piping-> TICKET

RICH2 injection through recuperated CF4 -> TICKET

 

NA62

CEDAR maintenance needed -> [GASSYSTEMS-609] CEDAR maintenance needed - CERN Central Jira

change of pressure sensor used for leak warning? -> [GASSYSTEMS-741] NA62-CEDAR move to keller pressure sensor? - CERN Central Jira

 

GIF++ TGC gas system and return flow: [GASSYSTEMS-624] GIF++ TGC gas system return flow - CERN Central Jira

[GASSYSTEMS-674] MFCs to be checked - CERN Central Jira :

 

non-LHC safety valve --> check lista di Fabio

[GASSYSTEMS-172] non-LHC safety valves to be verified - CERN Central Jira

ELOG - safety valves to be verified for non-LHC systems

 

 

 

Additional requests/projects/discussions

887 CEDAR new "mixers" --> [GASSYSTEMS-509] CEDAR for beam lines - CERN Central Jira

 

AMBER

EDMS leak test? 

test certificate x-ray?

ATEX certificate?

who is technical coordinator

resource manager Oleg D?

no money? should we stop? and resume in 2026? 

Commissioning when? -> TICKET 

when they would like to start? Moritz? -> ask

 

 

PROJECT 2025

summary TICKET

 

 

examples of topics for the common discussions:

 

-cms id flushing -> Andrea

-cms r134a operation and spare -> Andrea

-cms cf4 operation and spare -> Andrea

-atl tgc nc5h12 -> Kacper

-Analysis boxes -> LPh

-C4F10 new recuperation installation -> Patrick

 

There are minutes attached to this event. Show them.
    • 09:00 09:10
      Piquet interventions 10m
      Speakers: Gianluca Rigoletti (CERN), persons on piquet
    • 09:10 09:40
      Review new ticket or updated during current week 30m

      Jira dashboard: https://its.cern.ch/jira/secure/RapidBoard.jspa?rapidView=9098&view=detail
      Confluence page: https://confluence.cern.ch/display/KBFGS

      Speaker: Roberto Guida (CERN)
    • 09:40 09:50
      gas systems status 10m
    • 09:50 09:55
      other M&O news 5m
      Speakers: Beatrice Mandelli (CERN), Gianluca Rigoletti (CERN)
    • 09:55 10:00
      Gas mixture analysis for LHC experiments 5m

      https://epdt-gasmonitoring.web.cern.ch/

      Speaker: Maria Cristina Arena (CERN)
    • 10:00 10:05
      FSU planning for coming weeks & Jobs status 5m
      Speaker: Andrea D'Auria (CERN)
    • 10:05 10:15
      Pump working hours, EAM/Infor, maintenance and spare parts follow-up 10m
      Speaker: Miguel Afonso (Universidade de Lisboa (PT))
    • 10:15 10:35
      list of projects for 2025 and beyond 20m
      Speaker: Roberto Guida (CERN)
    • 10:35 10:45
      aob and requests for jobs at workshop 10m
      Speakers: Albin Mekkattukulam Joshy (University of Applied Sciences Bremerhaven (AF)), Amin Bouzaiene (EPFL - Ecole Polytechnique Federale Lausanne (CH)), Andrea D'Auria (CERN), Beatrice Mandelli (CERN), Burkhard Schmidt (CERN), Damiano Galassi, Davide Casarotto (CERN), Fabio Bordon, Gianluca Rigoletti (CERN), Louis-Philippe De Menezes (CERN), Maria Cristina Arena (CERN), Mattia Busato (CERN), Mattia Verzeroli (Universite Claude Bernard Lyon I (FR)), Miguel Afonso (Universidade de Lisboa (PT)), Paolo Petagna (CERN), Patrick Carrie (CERN), Pieter Vanslambrouck, Roberto Guida (CERN), Stefania Juks (Université Paris-Saclay (FR)), Vijay Ajith Kumar Menon (Imperial College (GB))

      0.5 day to repair or prepare a new big cartridge for 256 test