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32/1-A24 (CERN)
Gas R&D activities
Gas R&D 2026-08-20
Key Outcomes
The team reviewed ongoing gas sensor measurements for HCL and HF production at GIF, identified potential noise and offset issues requiring further investigation, and agreed on a systematic lab-first testing approach before resuming GIF measurements. A molecular simulation collaboration with Torino is planned for October. ELMB2 testing in Micromegas is progressing with a step-by-step validation strategy.
Measurements & Findings
· HCL and HF peaks correlate with temperature changes during CO2 flushing; HF shows a non-zero offset while HCL decays to zero.
· A small HCL peak (~0.012 ppm) was observed coinciding with the GIF source being turned back on after weekly access — at the bottom range of sensor sensitivity and possibly noise.
· Previous tests with detectors present showed HCL/HF levels of 4–6 ppm (>10× higher than current readings).
· HF lower quantification limit is ~0.3 ppm; current readings are near or below this threshold.
· CO2 flushing confirmed by vendor to not create sensor offset; however, the humidifier is a suspected source of interference.
Decisions Made
· Bypass the humidifier in the next test run to isolate its potential contribution to HF offset.
· Lab-first approach: Begin systematic testing in Lab 256 using detectors 21 or 29, flush with Argon or CO2, establish baseline/offset before any GIF measurements.
· Nitrogen to be tested as an alternative flush gas after CO2 decay is confirmed complete.
· Manuel, Ryan, Albin, and Max (with chemical background) present to learn from Maria Cristina how to use ISE.
· Calibration test with 1,000 ppm chlorine solution (Thermo Fisher recommendation) to be scheduled.
Gas Decomposition & Simulation
· R1224YD breaks down slower than ZD; YD also degrades into PFAS; ZD produces both HCL and HF, R134A produces HF.
· YD has one more fluorine atom than ZD — higher fluorine correlates with higher electronegativity, which may be beneficial; need a comparison table of YD vs. ZD decomposition products and properties.
· A molecular simulation student from Torino arrives in October for one month to study fragmentation pathways using DFT; goal is to predict new molecule behavior before physical testing.
· Bulk decomposition is driven by electric field, not radiation alone — irradiating without voltage produces negligible decomposition.
· Long-term goal: feed experimental parameters into Garfield/Markowitz simulation tools; primary ionization data from the X-ray source in QDD may support this.
Open Questions
· Whether the small HCL peak at GIF source restart is a real signal or random fluctuation — temperature correlation also needs checking.
· Lifetime of the electrochemical sensor cells under low-HF conditions is uncertain; a second sensor has been ordered (delayed from China).
· No RPC detector exists that has never been irradiated at GIF with ZD gas — complicates clean baseline measurement.
· Whether to keep detectors at working point during source-off periods or adapt voltage — deferred until lab results are available.
ELMB2 / Hardware Status
· ELMB2 works in OT but not confirmed in MDT; plan is to test first in Micromegas (2 racks) as a simpler environment.
· If Micromegas test fails by end of October/November, the Micromegas upgrade will proceed and ELMB2 will be re-tested post-PLC upgrade.
· MDT testing is more complex due to pressure sensors and a busy CAN bus — lower priority.
· Manual CAN operational intervention (heartbeat reset) may be needed for ELMB2 to become operational in LX4G.
Action Items
· Max: Bypass humidifier and rerun HF/HCL measurement; try nitrogen flush after CO2 decay confirmed
· Max: Order second HF and F2 sensor for cross-checking
· Maria Cristina, Max, …: Send one slide summarizing decomposition products (HCL/HF) for YD and ZD
· Max : Set up Lab 256 test with detectors 21 or 29; establish offset baseline before GIF campaign
· Team: Prepare case study for Torino simulation student arriving October
· Thomas / Davide: Test ELMB2 in Micromegas racks (Monday check planned)
· Miguel: Share updated documentation/guide with Gianluca and Beatrice; coordinate greenhouse gas data entry with Laura
· Jesse: Share thesis and other email for continued loop inclusion
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