NCPRM Regular Meeting

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4/S-020 (CERN)

4/S-020

CERN

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Markus Brugger
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Participants: Frank (online), Giovanna, Gianluigi, Jamie, Sara (online), Urs, Markus, Johannes

FIP/Neutrino Advisory Group

  • Idea to have an overview of the field and on-going/planned projects at a low-detail level, including a coarse estimate of needed resources and timescales.
  • Scientific committees focus rather on proposals that reached already a certain maturity level and not on resources.
  • Alfons confirmed as excellent choice (taking over LHCC later in autumn)
  • Timeline to be advanced for an intermediate iteration/report by September (autumn) and the final report summarising findings and recommendations by November 2026.
  • Propose Torben Ferber as chair person, thus contact him first → Urs/Jamie you take the lead there?
  • Giovanna/Jamie to confirm representative of Neutrino Platform (to check with Francesco, likely Laura or Steven)

 

Notes and Conclusions from RB (18 March 2026)

  • NA60+/DiCE: decision is postponed to next RB. Need to make sure that management understand that NA60+ does not put any constraints / dependencies on ion complex review. Statement that SPSC did the review. Not clear what additional input is needed and who will follow up.
    → Giovanna and Urs will check with Gautier and Gautier.
  • AD/ELENA experiments:
    • Run-4: SPSC triggered process with addenda requested
    • action on BASE to collect user requirements. EP is looking for available space. IEFC action proposed and to be followed up (initial requirements included by BASE in last SPSC annual report
      discussed available technical specifications → Jamie sent the respective SPSC annual report part (p.71) -> link
      Johannes will inform Francois and IEFC
    • GBAR: SPSC expects a resource-loaded schedule and full proposal by February 2027, otherwise area considered to be available for new experiments. Agreed that RM context is to highlight that a respective option/choice is incoming -> Ask Francois and Davide to provide a short assessment of what is needed for dismantling and for a possible future use of their linac and the area. → Johannes will check with Francois (ADTC/IEFC informed/SPSC follow-up)
  • INTC: concerns about impact of SHiP running on ISOLDE protons. Urs reminds that proton sharing was also discussed during the approval phase of SHiP, so need to understand if there are new constraints. There are reports, however with very open phase space of choices. Needs to be compressed into an understandable scenario. → Action Johannes.
  • ALADDIN: Technical proposal was already anticipated end of 2024. Requires additional measurements planned for this year, needs MD time; considering previous LHCC/RB conclusions, thus today's RM context only transition phase to clarify/maintain technical opportunity with physics case to be followed as always (agreed → Gianluigi/Markus?, trigger respective LMC decision). Two parts: Short-term need to decide whether to continue (RB agreed), long-term decision for running after LS4
  • MAPP: any additional technical implementation studies shall be stopped. → FIP/Neutrino Advisory Group shall make a statement on discontinuation (→ inform LMC)
  • AICE: strong support noted (minutes to be checked), important to go ahead with Workshop (triggered by LHCC/Roadmap, but organized by colloboration -> Sergio Calatroni, Clara Murgui and Oliver Buchmüller available to help and can be included in kick-off message → Markus will draft a short message 

 

Other:

  • taking our memorandum as trigger (for short-term considerations), then also important to clarify relevant boundary conditions of a future roadmap (e.g. previous SC/RB statements/conclusions, resource envelope to consider, proposals with overlap to other laboratories (e.g. molecular beams, neutrinos, etc.) 
    Markus to propose a common discussion (also on other subjects) together with Gautier, Oliver and Mark

 

Other topics:

  • Timeline for SPSC reviews discussed (see also Sara's email): nuSCOPE + heavy ions reviews to trigger in May → Sara, Markus
  • agreed that a CERN internal message about the started roadmap process would be required perhaps best with a short article in the Bulletin → Markus will prepare a short draft (mainly based on the mandate)
  • academic training lectures →Johannes proposed his help for their organization and will kick-off the first two together with Urs (the current draft list is available and can be edited easily here)
  • email list available, Sharepoint page for central collection of relevant documents, and easier collaborative work, Indico pages for our meeting every two weeks now also done (for the next time I've reserved a larger room in building 6)

 

Kept for next time:

  • LDG taskforce: if you can, please have a quick look at the information available below, we can then also discuss individually offline and have a first wrap-up in two weeks
  • Plan-Of-Work (first 'action' list available on SharePoint) - here we need to get now back also to Rende, Sylvie, etc.

 

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    • 08:30 09:00
      FIP/Neutrino Advisory Group Mandate 30m
      • FIP/Neutrino AG Mandate: link (Frank also available by zoom at 8:30, + Sara also ok) -> aim to send it afterwards for approval to Gautier/Mark
      Speaker: Markus Brugger (CERN)
    • 09:00 09:45
      RB and other follow-ups 45m
      • quick iteration of relevant RB notes (see below a quick list from my side, based on informal notes received)
      • Academic training lectures -> kick-off and last iteration on subjects -> Johannes proposes his help
      • Plan-Of-Work: first draft list to quickly iterate together, before moving on sharepoint and respective tracker

      Follow-ups

      • short message to Gautier/Oliver/Mark for RB debrief, suggesting short
        meeting together?
      • AICE WS kick-off: Sergio available, + ?
      • IEFC/LMC feedback
      • LDG Taskforce (see short summary here below)
      • additional help: extended core team
      • -> Rende (Consolidation, to start), Sylvie (MTP resources), Sergio (Technologies, and respective link to LDG TF), PBC grads? , ACE (
        Timeline visualization), Paolo (SMI, DT aspects) ?, + ?

      Admin:


      Communication:

      • propose debrief with directors (also to agree on high-level
        constraints
      • prepare bulletin article draft to iterate with Mark, Gautier,
        Oliver?
      Speaker: Markus Brugger (CERN)
    • 09:45 10:00
      Laboratories/Facilities - Overview (LDG Input) 15m

      LDG Taskforce (kick-off):

      • LDG is launching an initiative to promote and strengthen the implementation of scientific diversity in particle physics with a shared European vision. This is a recommendation that was formulated within the 2026 strategy update process for the European Particle Physics. Initially a taskforce should was formed to conduct a community-wide survey on existing facilities, current and proposed projects, and expertise at European laboratories
      • Mike Seidel, Jorgen D’Hondt and Sinéad Farrington presented the scope of our mandate, which we discussed for a bit. Much of how we approach this task is up to us; in general, we should identify potential synergies in our current and future national programs; connecting facilities, capabilities and projects at the European labs, focused on those that go beyond colliders. Also the link between theory and experiment was explicitly mentioned, making connections to neighbouring research fields, and the hope that we can identify latent capabilities; skills, equipment and resources that could be leveraged but may not yet be widely recognised. We also discussed the relation to CERN’s PBC and Roadmap initiatives, which we should not duplicate but would like to be complementary to. We are asked to make recommendations for synergies, where in later steps these might be ‘resource loaded’ by the labs or through collaborative granting schemes.
      • specifically, we agreed to take a two step approach, aiming to present first results of our survey with the LDG group on the 19th of June, 4-6 pm. We could then work out more details in a second step, to be concluded in the fall. Also, if we find we do not cover the complete field with the current team, we could propose to invite additional members.
      Speaker: Markus Brugger (CERN)