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160/R-009 (CERN)

160/R-009

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    • 09:00 → 18:00
      Tuesday 160/R-009

      160/R-009

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      HLT day

      • 09:00
        Introduction 30m
        Speaker: Carminati, F. (CERN)
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      • 09:30
        Status of HLT algorithms 30m
        Speaker: Vestbo, A. (University of Bergen)
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        Marek: Is the efficiency for all tracks or for stiff tracks? It is for all primary tracks. Karel: Is the fake rate 100% when you work within one sector? Yes. How many would disappear if you do the merging with the other sectors? Some, but the not very much. Marian: Do you use the ADC amplitudes? Yes. Could a log. transform help? Probably, it has to be investigated. Lachezar: Do you have ExB effects in the simulation.? Yes, on the wires, not in the volume. Marek: Do you want to use HLT for low PT tracks? For the moment it is used only for compression. Dieter: We are showing the concept and what we can do now. The timing for reconstructing a pile-up event is so small that we can reconstruct on-line all tracks, secondary and primary ones. The basic idea is to have the track seeds and fit then clusters. The Hough transform is not crucial, it is one of the methods we can use. Marian: What do you plan to use for secondary tracks? The Hough transform is one good candidate. Karel: Do you classify the cluster with respect to their width? Not for the moment. It should be done with real data. In any case it can help when searching for overlapping clusters. Marian: How sensitive is the algorithm to the fake tracks? Since we are looking for local max., it is sensitive. Federico: Is the fake tracks the limiting factor? Yes, this is the most urgent problem. Basanta: What is the physics goal of this exercise? It is to show that we have some algorithms ready for the real triggering. One needs the track reconstruction in TPC for many physics triggering tasks. Dieter: The e+e- pre-trigger gives you several handful candidates and the we work with a part of data. Marian: The efficiency. was only for primaries, wasn't it? Yes, it was, but for the trigger the secondaries are not very important. For primaries the momentum we can reach is 120MeV, but with standalone tracking one can go below.
      • 10:00
        Coffee Break 30m
      • 10:30
        Status of off-line algorithms 30m
        Speaker: Safarik, K. (CERN)
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        Dieter: What is the resolution of the track length if one uses the track parameters? It was few cm, which correspond to the 60ps. The internal TOF resolution is 50ps. Dieter: Should we include TOF and TRD in the HLT for open charm? It gives factor of two, and definitely should not be excluded from HLT. Yves: For the PHOS we also have now the isolation cut which is used in the other LHC experiments to identify the direct gammas. Rene: About the data compression. What is the fraction of clusters not associated with tracks? About 20-40%. What do we do with them? We can compress them using another method, or discard them. Certainly we will keep them during the first year, but then we decide. Fed: This can come only studying real data. Dieter: In the simulation you can identify 80% of the curling delta electrons and discard them.
      • 11:00
        Status of raw data production for ITS and TPC 20m
        Speaker: Favretto, D. (CERN)
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        Dieter: What do you mean by hard trigger? By definition it is every trigger which scales to the number of binary collisions. The trigger probability is set and the multiplicity is biased toward higher values. There is no hard signal embedded in the event. Marian: Would it be possible to skip the extra decimal words to reduce the overhead? Dieter: In the ALTRO chip it is the hardware format, but then in ACU one can suppress these extra words. We use 2 tables for the compression, one for pp and one for PbPb events. The centrality of the event is taken from the trigger. Karel:The SDD format is not the final one. It is the second largest detector (by data volume), and for the moment it stores the addresses of each hit. This is a huge overhead to be avoided.
      • 11:20
        TRD online-trigger in the Aliroot framework 20m
        Speaker: Vulpescu, B (Heidelberg)
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        Dieter: What do we get from TRD to HLT after 5mks? You get the tracklets and all the data. The VHDL part and all the hardware will be correctly simulated at the end of the work.
      • 11:40
        ITS neural tracking as a possible HLT algorithm 15m
        Speaker: Barbera, R. (INFN)
        Dieter: The presented algorithm needs a lot of CPU, and it is at the limit of what we would have.
      • 11:55
        Discussion 35m
      • 12:30
        Lunch 1h 30m
      • 14:00
        Working session on the preparation for computing data challenge 4h
        Discussion: 1) Raw digits: In off-line the labels should be extracted in parallel with the raw data, and not in a mixture. AliDigit: -digits -> raw -> track | V -label -> dictionary The labels in HLT are saved in RAW, if a flag is set. Finally a module which creates all the raw data should be developed. 2) Data challenge The general structure of DAQ detector detector -> FEP | | | V V V ----------------------- LDC LDC | | V V ------------ switch ------------ | | V V GDC GDC tape tape FEP is seen by the LDC as a detector. This is the only place where you have tracks, clusters, etc. What is feasible for September'2003 Tasks for ADC (efficiency and performance, can be done running on the GDC's): - fast monitoring and visualization - fast cluster finder and tracking Roberto Divia: - IT provides the farm and we should not touch it. The we have to decide what kind of information and how do we provide it to the HLT - The ADC has some performance milestones to be achieved. Is HLT interested in the timing of the algorithms? Dieter: we are interested in the efficiency and not in the time performance of the HLT. This can be done in a batch job, working at the level of the DDL. Running on GDC doesn't reproduce well the architecture of the HLT system. Federico: Proposal to use the modular fast cluster finding and tracking plus visualization on the GDC. The information on the time performance will not be important, but the goal is to see the interaction within the system. The rest of HLT algorithms will be tested (efficiency, etc.) during the physics data challenge'2004. Dieter: Could we have some more details about the phys. data challenge'2004 before Thursday. Karel: The current physics accent in Alice is on the jets and hard probes. In this case we have to use full HIJING and probably to mix with a PYTHIA jets. In this case we will reproduce the big event fluctuations and embed the relevant physics. This is the most resource consuming part, the pp and pPb will occupy much less CPU.
    • 09:00 → 18:00
      Wednesday 160/R-009

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      Simulation & Framework Day

      • 09:00
        Status of simulation 30m
        Speaker: Morsch, A. (CERN)
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      • 09:30
        Status of TFluka&Flugg 20m
      • 09:50
        Event generators of ultra-peripheral processes 20m
        Speaker: Polichtchouk, B.
        transparencies
      • 10:10
        Coffee Break 20m
      • 10:30
        Geometrical modeller 20m
        Speaker: Gheata, A. (CERN)
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      • 10:50
        Transition to NewIO 20m
        Speaker: Hristov, P. (CERN)
      • 11:10
        Status of NewIO 1h 20m
        • ITS 10m
          Speaker: Barbera, R. (INFN)
        • TPC 10m
          Speaker: Kowalski, M. (HNINP)
        • TRD 10m
          Speaker: Blume, C. (Frankfurt)
        • PHOS&EMCAL 10m
          Speaker: Schutz, Y. (IN2P3)
        • RICH 10m
          Speaker: Di Bari, N. (INFN)
        • MUON 10m
          Speaker: De Falco, A. (INFN)
        • FMD&START 10m
          Speaker: Maevskaia, A. (INR)
      • 12:30
        Lunch 1h 30m
      • 14:00
        Working session: transition to NewIO 4h
    • 09:00 → 18:00
      Thursday 160/R-009

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      Physics day, plans for the data challenges

      • 09:00
        Physics program for the data challenge'2004 30m
        Speaker: Safarik, K. (CERN)
      • 09:30
        Computing resources for physics data challenge'2004 20m
        Speaker: Masoni, A. (INFN)
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      • 09:50
        Discussion 40m
      • 10:30
        Coffee Break 30m
      • 11:00
        Updates on standalone ITS and combined tracking 20m
        Speaker: Barbera, R. (INFN)
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      • 11:20
        Combined PID 30m
        Speaker: Belikov, Yu. (CERN)
      • 11:50
        Combined tracking 20m
        Speaker: Belikov, Yu. (CERN)
      • 12:10
        Databases in Alice 20m
        Speaker: Betev, L. (CERN)
      • 12:30
        Lunch 1h 30m
      • 14:00
        Working session 4h
    • 09:00 → 18:00
      Friday 40-S2-B01

      40-S2-B01

      CERN

      Distributed computing day

      • 09:00
        Update on activities at GridKa 20m 40-S2-B01

        40-S2-B01

        CERN

        Speaker: Schwarz, K. (GSI)
      • 09:20
        AliEn-EDG interface 20m 40-S2-B01

        40-S2-B01

        CERN

        Speaker: Bagnasco, S. (INFN)
      • 09:40
        EDG test production 15m 40-S2-B01

        40-S2-B01

        CERN

        Speaker: Cerello, P. (INFN)
      • 09:55
        Preliminary results of the network stress tests performed in Italy for ALICE 15m 40-S2-B01

        40-S2-B01

        CERN

        Speaker: Barbera, R. (INFN)
      • 10:10
        Coffee Break 20m 40-S2-B01 (CERN)

        40-S2-B01

        CERN

      • 10:30
        AliEn analysis: presentation, demo, discussion 2h 40-S2-B01

        40-S2-B01

        CERN

        Speaker: Buncic, P. (CERN)
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      • 12:30
        Lunch 1h 30m 40-S2-B01 (CERN)

        40-S2-B01

        CERN

      • 15:00
        Offline / National Computing board 2h 160/R-009

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