Ops in the GridPP6 era

→ Europe/London
https://vidyoportal.cern.ch/join/dHPLnGYA7K
Description

- This is a one off meeting to further the GridPP forward look document on deployment and operations and to discuss preparations for GridPP41

- Join via Jeremy's Vidyo room.  https://vidyoportal.cern.ch/join/dHPLnGYA7K

    • 11:00 → 11:01
      Objectives 1m
      1. To have a common perspective on the forward look document (including what really needs adding before we can start editing);
      2. Agree on slides needed for the Tier-2 session (to motivate discussion and make the current and emerging situation clear to anyone not closely involved) and how best to distribute the preparation.
      3. Capture some key questions we should seek to answer in the discussion session.

      Early thoughts on session:

      1) We have/are evolving the Tier-2s towards a few big sites with storage and other sites contributing CPU (only.... though that doesn't mean they don't have storage). This is something we have already agreed/implemented and is in-step with WLCG evolution. There was the recent presentation from the WLCG working group about cost-models, which demonstrates (amongst other things) the potential savings be
      rationalising storage. Perhaps include a summary of this work.

      2) Aside from the cost arguments, there is also a technical discussion about how this is implemented. There is the future "Data Lake" thing, for example, and caches and federated data etc.

      3) In GridPP6 we have to be clear about the role of staff we propose to deploy at Tier-2s: They are definitely not "tier-2 hardware post"; they are skilled RSE/RIEs . So we sort of need a job description almost.... and the purpose of all this is to help crystalise
      the arguments as to why they provide essential value.

    • 11:01 → 11:20
      The forward look document 19m

      Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pfkcClU3a7eE9TtB-Q40BE9XTxN1y39aWheircDtXjs/edit?usp=sharing

      • Initial overview and comments

      • Working through observations

      • Gaps and input requests

      Can we answer:
      - What is the distribution of effort requested across Tier-2 sites?
      - What is the justification? What will they be doing?

    • 11:20 → 11:40
      GridPP41 session discussion 20m

      Proposed structure:

      11:00-13:00 Tier-2 Session

      • 11:30-11:50 LUCID (already scheduled) [Becky]

      • 11:50-12:00 Forward look overview [Steve L/Jeremy]

      • 12:00-12:10 Technology choices (strategy decisions to be made) [Gareth/Andrew]

      • 12:10-12:20 Current pressure points (DIRAC) and evolving services [Daniela (preparation as not registered)/Matt/Duncan?]

      • 12:20-12:30 Wider support and skills needs [Alessandra/Steve J?]

      • 12:30-13:00 Discussion/buffer [Steve L/Jeremy lead] - Areas: Tier-2 structures/GridPP staff needs and role descriptions/Challenges and concerns… the GridPP6 "ask"

    • 11:40 → 12:00
      Discussion & clarifications 20m
    • 12:00 → 12:01
      Actions & AOB 1m