DOMA / ACCESS Meeting

Europe/Zurich
513/1-024 (CERN)

513/1-024

CERN

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Frank Wuerthwein (Univ. of California San Diego (US)), Ilija Vukotic (University of Chicago (US)), Markus Schulz (CERN), Stephane Jezequel (LAPP-Annecy CNRS/USMB (FR)), Xavier Espinal (CERN)

People on Vidyo: Alexei, Andrea Sciaba, Andreas Petzold, Bo Jayatilaka, David Michael South, Derek Weitzel, Doug Benjamin, Elizabeth Sexton-Kennedy, Frank Wuerthwein, Gonzalo Merino, James William Walder, Johannes Elmsheuser, Laurent Duflot, Nikolai, Oxana Smirnova, Riccardo Di Maria, Stephane Jezequel, Xavier Espinal, Xin Zhao

Stephane Jezequel (LAPP-Annecy CNRS/USMB (FR)) - ATLAS Repro Challenge HL-LHC:

  • Inputs from:
    • proposal from F. Wuerthwein to build reprocessing challenge based on HL-LHC numbers (10 PB/day)
    • references for ATLAS numbers 
      • Run-2: numbers from last Run-2 reprocessing campaign (presentation at next GDB)
      • HL-LHC : preliminary numbers from CDR
    • Caveats
      • ATLAS reprocessing: highly distributed by composition of ATLAS Grid
      • Some infrastructure requirements not listed: size of buffer
  • Frank computed numbers on a less precise way than Stephane (quoting Frank)
  • The scenario under consideration is that reprocessing could overlap with data taking
  • Clarification: for transfers, numbers refer to setup of 1 Rucio (dedicated instance) + 3 FTS servers (not sure if dedicated instances)

Discussion on Future Data Challenge

  • Numbers (staging GB/s) from all the experiments are needed to estimate the impact on T1s
  • Libraries are typically added/replaced every 2/3 years - adding capacity, etc.
  • Several T1s are already asking requirements from experiments - funding can be organised up to 5 years
  • Proposal for CMS and ATLAS to have these numbers from sites as a planning exercise 
  • Action on writing a document to have some numbers to work on - iterative process with T1s
    • Aiming to describe "a" scenario by 2020 with definition of exercise
    • This document is not aimed to be used officially for funding agencies
  • To be checked with WLCG wrt LHCC if there is something - maybe not at the level wanted

Next meeting in 2 weeks, where it will be discussed the following.

Xavier's document:

  • The document uploaded has been shown several times in DOMA General
  • Aimed to start a discussion for the planning of data challenges with some metrics and timelines, according to the brief feedback obtained from the HL-LHC reviewers
There are minutes attached to this event. Show them.
    • 17:30 17:35
      Introduction 5m
      Speakers: Frank Wuerthwein (Univ. of California San Diego (US)), Ilija Vukotic (University of Chicago (US)), Markus Schulz (CERN), Stephane Jezequel (LAPP-Annecy CNRS/USMB (FR)), Xavier Espinal (CERN)
    • 17:35 18:05
      Discussion on Future Data Challenge 30m
      Speaker: All
    • 18:25 18:35
      AOB 10m