Gas systems weekly project meeting

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32/1-A24 (CERN)

32/1-A24

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gas systems project meeting
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Beatrice Mandelli
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piquet:

25/9

TRD O2 alarm -> TICKET LPh to look at trends

 

04/09

nothing

 

28/8

ATLAS-TRT sensor in distribution not working. Alarm blocked 6324(?) elog to be done -> TICKET

 

21/8

NA62 straw mixer CO2 supply -> TICKET

MDT flowcells rack 68 chn 11-22-> TICKET -> solved by Pieter. check elog/jira

new tickedt from Philipp for some channel MDT -> check ticket

CMS-FGR problem --> TICKET no action taken by the piquet. Temperature/Pressure/(difference setpoint vs measured flow in MFC) --> 2nd TICKET 

 

14/8

ATLAS-RPC low pressure buffer. It seems it is happening also for ALICE MID (here for purif)

 

 

7/8

nothing

 

24/7

MWPC purif non-return valve blocking to check??? TICKET 

 

 

17/7

CMS-RPC same as last week -> TICKET Hervè

CMS-FGR humidity check

 

10/7

CMS-RPC - Purifier1 Column A pressure too high during regeneration ->  [GASSYSTEMS-716] CMS-RPC - Purifier1 Column A pressure too high during regeneration - CERN Central Jira

LHCb-RICH1 Purif ColB too important pressure drop -> solved. TICKET open close.

 

 

3/7

CMS-RPC purifier 3 heating tape -> [GASSYSTEMS-708] CMS-RPC purifier 3 heating tape problem - CERN Central Jira

CMS FGR off due to problem -> [GASSYSTEMS-709] CMS FGR off due to problem after valve replacement - CERN Central Jira

Alarms blocked
TPC: mixer injection too long, PV4003, MFC5002 profibus
TRD: mixer not in run, purifier columns 
MID: profibus in mixer
RPC: electrical status
TFC: DSS hardware interlock 
SciFi: electrical status

26/6

CMS-FGR Huber alarm -> [GASSYSTEMS-710] CMS-FGR Huber alarm - CERN Central Jira Maria Cristina already sent info to LaboTech

CMS-FGR dewpoint alarm -> [GASSYSTEMS-711] CMS-FGR dewpoint alarm when no flow at input of recovery - CERN Central Jira can we do something to avoid?

CMS N2 flow -> delay on the alarm? 2 minutes? check limits? [GASSYSTEMS-712] CMS N2 flow and alarms - CERN Central Jira

 

19/6

ATLAS-RPC rack 66 chamber pressure fluctuations --> [GASSYSTEMS-689] ATLAS-RPC rack 66 chamber pressure fluctuations - CERN Central Jira

CMS-DT pump --> [GASSYSTEMS-691] CMS-DT pump broken (motor?) - CERN Central Jira  & Miguel to follow-up -> TO BE SEND TO KNF  

8/5

ATLAS-RPC heating tape not working -> [GASSYSTEMS-632] ATLAS-RPC heating tape not working - CERN Central Jira (replace heating tape + separate power supply easy for 2 and 3, purif 1 during LS3) [GASSYSTEMS-670] ATLAS-RPC Purif 3 ColB repair - CERN Central Jira

 

RICH1 pump regulation alarm and gas consumption check needed --> [GASSYSTEMS-634] RICH1 update C4F10 consumption - CERN Central Jira

RICH1 pressure difference like in ALICE TRD -> [GASSYSTEMS-635] RICH1 pressure difference like in ALICE TRD - CERN Central Jira

 

24/4

ATLAS-TGC 2nd liquifier to be tested -> [GASSYSTEMS-636] ATLAS-TGC 2nd liquifier to be tested - CERN Central Jira

 

10/4

ALICE-MID purifier temperature HH alarm -> [GASSYSTEMS-600] ALICE-MID purifier temperature HH alarm - CERN Central Jira

 

3/4

CMS-RPC purif 1 not doing vacuum during regeneration [GASSYSTEMS-590] CMS-RPC purif 1 not doing vacuum during regeneration - CERN Central Jira

need to be tested after maintenance of the pump. update ticket.

 

ALICE-TRD Xe recuperation how to inject [GASSYSTEMS-591] ALICE-TRD Xe recuperation how to inject: procedure - CERN Central Jira

 

some clear text for electrical status page in winccoa --> [GASSYSTEMS-657] some clear text for electrical status page in winccoa - CERN Central Jira

 

ALICE, ATLAS, CMS IR iC4H10 calibration bottles & SF6 -> [GASSYSTEMS-658] ALICE, ATLAS, CMS IR iC4H10 calibration bottles & SF6 - CERN Central Jira

 

 

ALICE

70 report from Anité [GASSYSTEMS-70] TPC gas quality - filters to Benoit - CERN Central Jira (I don't see the report, can you please add it?)

TRD is leak back? [GASSYSTEMS-568] ALICE TRD leak search tests/interventions log - CERN Central Jira   

TRD membrane to remove from the loop -> leak increased with membrane module in loop TICKET

TRT leak issue still ongoing -> update ticket

several alarms blocked: [GASSYSTEMS-628] ALICE alarms blocked - CERN Central Jira

TOF gas mixture analysis -> [GASSYSTEMS-639] TOF gas mixture analysis - CERN Central Jira & ELOG

TRD membrane is connected ? -> [GASSYSTEMS-717] TRD membrane status - CERN Central Jira

P&ID drawing check who is doing -> [GASSYSTEMS-736] ALICE P&ID drawing check - CERN Central Jira

MID swap of pumps during MD because sometime the system stop -> TICKET

 

 

 

ATLAS

TS1->MDT frequency converter (need to be replaced TICKET), RPC distribution rack regulation valve (TICKET), RPC secondary mixer (TICKET)

MDT pressure sensors -> Pieter TICKET done

RPC purif 3 circuit breakers & meeting -> [GASSYSTEMS-718] RPC purif 3 electrical issue - CERN Central Jira --> meeting when?

problem with n-penthane tank level measurement -> [GASSYSTEMS-603] TGC problem with n-penthane tank level measurement - CERN Central Jira

ATLAS-TGC flow difference --> [GASSYSTEMS-612] ATLAS-TGC flow difference - CERN Central Jira

ATLAS ID flushing follow up of incident of 10 April --> [GASSYSTEMS-614] ATLAS ID flushing follow up of incident of 10 April - CERN Central Jira  

VERY IMPORTANT:   [GASSYSTEMS-618] ATLAS ID flushing change of gas procedure, dewpoint warning and alarms - CERN Central Jira

several alarms blocked: [GASSYSTEMS-629] ATLAS alarms blocked - CERN Central Jira

TGC differential pressure sensor for pump filter: is it there? if not why? -> [GASSYSTEMS-640] TGC differential pressure sensor for pump filter: is it there? if not why? - CERN Central Jira

ATLAS-RPC Purif 3 to be regenerated -> follow-up [GASSYSTEMS-670] ATLAS-RPC Purif 3 ColB repair - CERN Central Jira COMPLETED?

MDT analysis after pump -> probably there is already a TICKET check - pipe installed

ATLAS-TGC pressure -> [GASSYSTEMS-730] TGC Broken pressure sensor Rack 61 to replace - CERN Central Jira 

P&ID drawing check who is doing -> [GASSYSTEMS-737] ATLAS P&ID drawing check - CERN Central Jira

MDT pressure sensors in rack 63 --> TICKET from Philipp. Probably faulty sensor identified.

elog 6704 and 6705 for work to be done when MattiaB absent (Andrea and Fabio) -> Andrea, Damiano

TRT one valve leaking and one pressure sensor to check -> TICKET Gianluca, Davide, Jo, Fabio will do tomorrow 05/09 

nC5H12 refill for GIF -> follow ticket and/or UPDATE

 

 

CMS

RPC purif 3 circuit breakers & meeting --> STEMS-718] RPC purif 3 electrical issue - CERN Central Jira --> meeting when?

RPC purif 3 test col B after replacement of heating tape -> TICKET

RPC purif 3 test col B now after the current regulator is leaking -> TICKET or check

RPC purif 3 ATLAS & CMS. After how many cycles we have the problem? -> TICKET 

R134a insulation - isol'tut to check and see what to do -> ticket IO [GASSYSTEMS-578] R134a insulation - isol'tut to check and see what to do - CERN Central Jira

How much gas flow we need for the RPC purifier? --> OFFLINE with Maria Cristina [GASSYSTEMS-579] CMS-RPC How much gas flow we need for the RPC purifiers? - CERN Central Jira

RPC bypass pump too much closed --> [GASSYSTEMS-604] RPC bypass pump too much closed - CERN Central Jira

RPC H2O ExhToDist    CMSAUX_An_XANA9319AS 159 5000 ppm, but is it not normal? --> [GASSYSTEMS-605] RPC H2O ExhToDist 5000 ppm is ok? - CERN Central Jira

RPC double flow test -> ticket? exists? [GASSYSTEMS-392] RPC test of double the flow in one rack - CERN Central Jira

RPC with CO2 like ATLAS and effect on R134a recuperation -> [GASSYSTEMS-606] RPC with CO2 like ATLAS and effect on R134a recuperation - CERN Central Jira

GEM chamber pressure alarm for stop -> ticket with GEM responsible [GASSYSTEMS-580] GEM chamber pressure alarm for stop - CERN Central Jira

R134a Upgrade (hardware and software) to be tested -> [GASSYSTEMS-594] R134a Upgrade (hardware and software) to be tested - CERN Central Jira

alarms blocked: [GASSYSTEMS-630] CMS alarms blocked - CERN Central Jira

DT vaisala reading difference between SG and US -> [GASSYSTEMS-677] CMS DT vaisala reading difference between SG and US - CERN Central Jira

test KNF pump for R134a recuperation --> [GASSYSTEMS-643] test KNF pump for R134a recuperation - CERN Central Jira

CMS-FGR -> TICKET should we add a module. Do we need to buy something? follow-up

CMS-FGR -> TICKET Maria Cristina già fatto per bypass

CMS-FGR -> TICKET flowmeter for Huber

P&ID drawing check who is doing -> [GASSYSTEMS-738] CMS P&ID drawing check - CERN Central Jira

CMS-RPC IR not stable -> elog Maria Cristina -> TICKET

 

GEM 904 would like to move their mixer to PLC -> ticket already exists. check  [GASSYSTEMS-468] Re: 904 GEM gas system - CERN Central Jira

CSC 904 new panels -> for LS3 -> ticket Andrea? [GASSYSTEMS-581] CSC at 904 - CERN Central Jira

RPC 904 new line -> ticket Andrea? [GASSYSTEMS-582] RPC 904 new line - CERN Central Jira

RPC904 cleaning of lines -> follow ticket [GASSYSTEMS-556] 904 RPC gas distribution panels not working properly - CERN Central Jira

 

 

 

LHCb

TS1-> RICH1 leak search (postponed), SciFi some work from others expected

RICH1 water cooling -> [GASSYSTEMS-719] RICH1 water cooling - CERN Central Jira and workshop need?

RICH2 CO2 from purifier-> check how to decrease-> ticket IO [GASSYSTEMS-585] RICH2 [CO2] from purifier-> check how to decrease - CERN Central Jira

RICH2 form where the CO2 entered -> from backup? how long was it in stop? -> [GASSYSTEMS-607] RICH2 form where the CO2 entered -> from backup? how long was it in stop? - CERN Central Jira

RICH1 what we learn from 1st fill -> [GASSYSTEMS-608] RICH1 what we learn from 1st fill - CERN Central Jira

for example: RICH1 membrane bypass is a problem?

summary of the C4F10 bottles --> TICKET or ELOG -> [GASSYSTEMS-660] summary of the C4F10 bottles - CERN Central Jira

alarms blocked: [GASSYSTEMS-631] LHCb alarms blocked - CERN Central Jira

RICH2 IR calibration -> [GASSYSTEMS-661] RICH2 IR calibration - CERN Central Jira

RICH1 should we add some Ni to the purif? ask Christopf -> [GASSYSTEMS-662] RICH1 should we add some Ni to the purif? - CERN Central Jira

RICH1 C4F10 consumption --> TICKET Maria Cristina or update 

4 gr/y -> 2 ppm? 3000 ppm -~> 4 kg/y

RICH2 filter blocking -> [GASSYSTEMS-731] RICH2 pump filter differential pressure sensor not working - CERN Central Jira

P&ID drawing check who is doing -> [GASSYSTEMS-739] LHCb P&ID drawing check - CERN Central Jira

RICH1 cleaning , when? not before mid-september? -> TICKET 

RICH1 recuperation. Software (8-10/9) and hardware (Davide, Damiano, Patrick, Jo, Mech 8-10/9, insulation and 3T and 1 4-20mA) modif. then ready for recuperation

cleaning at earliest on Spet22nd, otherwise next MD Oct 6th. --> TICKET

RICH1 remove membrane rack before end of HL-LHC operation and/or change piping-> TICKET

RICH2 injection through recuperated CF4 -> TICKET

 

NA62

CEDAR maintenance needed -> [GASSYSTEMS-609] CEDAR maintenance needed - CERN Central Jira

change of pressure sensor used for leak warning? -> [GASSYSTEMS-741] NA62-CEDAR move to keller pressure sensor? - CERN Central Jira

 

GIF++ TGC gas system and return flow: [GASSYSTEMS-624] GIF++ TGC gas system return flow - CERN Central Jira

[GASSYSTEMS-674] MFCs to be checked - CERN Central Jira :

 

non-LHC safety valve --> check lista di Fabio

[GASSYSTEMS-172] non-LHC safety valves to be verified - CERN Central Jira

ELOG - safety valves to be verified for non-LHC systems

 

 

 

Additional requests/projects/discussions

887 CEDAR new "mixers" --> [GASSYSTEMS-509] CEDAR for beam lines - CERN Central Jira

 

AMBER

EDMS leak test? 

test certificate x-ray?

ATEX certificate?

who is technical coordinator

resource manager Oleg D?

no money? should we stop? and resume in 2026? 

Commissioning when? -> TICKET 

when they would like to start? Moritz? -> ask

 

 

PROJECT 2025

summary TICKET

 

 

examples of topics for the common discussions:

 

-cms id flushing -> Andrea

-cms r134a operation and spare -> Andrea

-cms cf4 operation and spare -> Andrea

-atl tgc nc5h12 -> Kacper

-Analysis boxes -> LPh

-C4F10 new recuperation installation -> Patrick

 

There are minutes attached to this event. Show them.
    • 08:50 09:00
      Modular Monitoring System 10m
      Speakers: Gianluca Rigoletti (CERN), Ori Salomon
    • 09:00 09:10
      Piquet interventions 10m
      Speakers: Gianluca Rigoletti (CERN), persons on piquet
    • 09:10 09:40
      Review new ticket or updated during current week 30m

      Jira dashboard: https://its.cern.ch/jira/secure/RapidBoard.jspa?rapidView=9098&view=detail
      Confluence page: https://confluence.cern.ch/display/KBFGS

      Speaker: Roberto Guida (CERN)
    • 09:40 09:50
      gas systems status 10m
    • 09:50 09:55
      other M&O news 5m
      Speakers: Beatrice Mandelli (CERN), Gianluca Rigoletti (CERN)
    • 09:55 10:00
      Gas mixture analysis for LHC experiments 5m

      https://epdt-gasmonitoring.web.cern.ch/

      Speaker: Maria Cristina Arena (CERN)
    • 10:00 10:05
      FSU planning for coming weeks & Jobs status 5m
      Speaker: Andrea D'Auria (CERN)
    • 10:05 10:15
      Pump working hours, EAM/Infor, maintenance and spare parts follow-up 10m
      Speaker: Miguel Afonso (Universidade de Lisboa (PT))
    • 10:15 11:25
      LS3 activities and gas systems status

      18/9

      person power for flowcells business as for all tasks

      TGC -> recalibration of all flowcells to be added

      ATLAS-RPC check LS3 flow and mixture with Paolo

      CMS and ATLAS RPC humidifiers to be added in the planning

      filters after the pump and related valves with no clear position wrt handle

      ITK really needed by end 2028

      CMS R134a recuperation system upgrade?

      ATL R134a recuperation system construction?

      CMS-RPC modification of electrical cabinet in SG

      CMS-CSC software update/upgrade

    • 10:50 11:05
      R134a absorption tests 15m
      Speaker: Vijay Ajith Kumar Menon (Imperial College (GB))
    • 10:55 11:15
      list of projects for 2025 and beyond 20m
      Speaker: Roberto Guida (CERN)
    • 11:15 11:25
      aob and requests for jobs at workshop 10m
      Speakers: Albin Mekkattukulam Joshy (University of Applied Sciences Bremerhaven (AF)), Amin Bouzaiene (EPFL - Ecole Polytechnique Federale Lausanne (CH)), Andrea D'Auria (CERN), Beatrice Mandelli (CERN), Burkhard Schmidt (CERN), Damiano Galassi, Davide Casarotto (CERN), Fabio Bordon, Gianluca Rigoletti (CERN), Louis-Philippe De Menezes (CERN), Maria Cristina Arena (CERN), Mattia Busato (CERN), Mattia Verzeroli (Universite Claude Bernard Lyon I (FR)), Miguel Afonso (Universidade de Lisboa (PT)), Paolo Petagna (CERN), Patrick Carrie (CERN), Pieter Vanslambrouck, Roberto Guida (CERN), Stefania Juks (Université Paris-Saclay (FR)), Vijay Ajith Kumar Menon (Imperial College (GB))

      0.5 day to repair or prepare a new big cartridge for 256 test