WLCG Accounting Task Force meeting

Europe/Zurich
513/R-068 (CERN)

513/R-068

CERN

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Julia (chair), Miguel (minutes), Maria, Eddie, Alberto, Pepe, Antonio, Constin

 

- Update on data validation (slides)

 

Noted that EGI Accounting portal (batch/pilot data) and Dashboard (payload data) don’t always match, for example because of pilot overhead, or because some sites have scaling applied to wall clock directly (it would be useful if systems that do this would declare it). 

Despite, data validation exercise is still useful.

 

For CMS EGI usage is 30-40% lower from raw and scale, needs further investigation.

Pilot overhead should be in 0-1% overhead range. Above that it should be investigated and understood.

 

Need to do one off study of end-start to check that systems that report scaled wall clock.

 

Need to be careful with estimated measurement.

Actual time is the only metric which has no estimation involved.

 

- PIC Accounting (slides)

 

CMS multi-core pilots running single-core payload seem to be a source for discrepancy between Portal and Dashboard data.This effect should decrease when CMS uses multicore payloads everywhere, currently only 4% of jobs. CMS also works on re-sizable jobs which should allow to minimize the draining time.

Currently there is a bug in the Dashboard, wall clock of multi-core payload is not multiplied by number of cores (4% of jobs)

So currently Dashboard number is lower that what is should be. The fix is being provided by the Dashboard team. After that CMS comparison should be redone

 

We need the raw numbers (time which is not scaled to also be reported).

 

MJF might be useful for payloads but are not essential (or necessary) for accounting at the batch system level or hardware level.

 

- CMS Pilots (slides)

-Next meeting is on the 14th of July, since Thursday  in two weeks is WLCG operations coordination meeting.

-Julia asked  members of the task force to evaluate the new portal, the results of this evaluation will be discussed at the next meeting

 

 

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    • 15:00 15:10
      Update on data validation 10m
      Speaker: Julia Andreeva (CERN)
    • 15:10 15:30
      Closer look at the site accounting. PIC 20m
      Speaker: Jose Flix Molina (Centro de Investigaciones Energ. Medioambientales y Tecn. - (ES)
    • 15:30 15:50
      CMS pilots 20m
      Speaker: Antonio Perez-Calero Yzquierdo (Centro de Investigaciones Energ. Medioambientales y Tecn. - (ES)
    • 15:50 16:20
      How scrutiny reports are prepared 30m
      Speakers: Andrew McNab (University of Manchester), Costin Grigoras (CERN), Giampaolo Carlino (INFN, Sezione di Napoli-Universita & INFN, Napoli), Giampaolo Carlino (Universita e INFN, Napoli (IT)), Jose Flix Molina (Centro de Investigaciones Energ. Medioambientales y Tecn. - (ES)
    • 16:20 16:30
      Discussion 10m