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ATLAS UK Cloud Support meeting minutes, 28 March 2019
Present: Alessandra Forti, Brian Davies, Dan Traynor, Elena Korolkova, Gareth Roy, Matt Doidge, Peter Love, Sam Skipsey, Tim Adye
Outstanding tickets:
* UKI-SCOTGRID-GLASGOW_LOCALGROUPDISK blacklisted in DDM: OFF for uw (DISKSPACE). More info
* jira [ADCSUPPORT-5159] "UKI-SCOTGRID-GLASGOW LOCALGROUPDISK transfer errors due to NO FREE SPACE"
Brian: http://hep.lancs.ac.uk/~love/ukdata/token/ATLASLOCALGROUPDISK/
Dan: QMUL is full as well but looks like the database is stuck again.
Brian has a quick look at Glasgow datasets. Noticed a new "archive" Rucio scope.
* ggus 140103 UK UKI-NORTHGRID-LANCS-HEP: transfer and staging error with”DESTINATION OVERWRITE srm-ifce err”
Matt: Kept ticket open in case problems. Just about fixed IPv6.
One server blew its network card, then became server for testing. Hopefully fixed today.
Will post blog about dhcpv6.
* ggus 140350 UKI-NORTHGRID-LIV-HEP Deletion Error
Elena: looks fine now. Can be closed. Elena will do it because Liverpool didn't yet.
* ggus 140134 UKI-SOUTHGRID-OX-HEP Unspecified gridmanager error: Code 0 Subcode 0
One of the SE pool nodes crashed. Back up again, and no more errors. Elena will close this ticket too.
Ongoing issues (new comments marked in green):
1. LocalGroupDisk consolidation (Tim)
* most >2year old datasets removed 4 July. Should free 488 TB. Tim will check the rest.
* Tim: R2D2 has default lifetime of 180 days (can be changed when making request).
At S&C Week, Cedric suggested a "subscribe to dataset" option to get email notifications. I think it would be more useful to do this when creating rule, and notification when LOCALGROUPDISK is last replica.
* Brian: do we really need to keep 10% free space? This prevents disk filling up, and leaves room for unexpected increases. Not necessary for sites to also provide a safety margin.
* Tim has asked Roger if we should rebalance more T2 disk from LOCALGROUPDISK to DATADISK. Will prod again.
10/01: Cleanup run is due sooner rather than later. RHUL increased space recently.
17/01: Is 180 day still the limit? We had mixed results when trying in the meeting.
Kashif: How to tell users of files on site's LOCALGROUPDISK? Currently using dmlite-shell.
24/01: Tim sent instructions last week to the atlas-support-cloud-uk list for checking Rucio (don't need to be an ATLAS user).
Kashif: many users have left Oxford, so difficult to contact. Will contact ATLAS Oxford group leader.
Dan asked about user quotas on LOCALGROUPDISK. Some users seem to have individual quotas. They shouldn't.
2. Harvester issues (Peter/Alessandra/Elena)
28/02: Migration almost complete. Kept SL6 queues on APF because they'd go away.
Remaining APF factories listed here: http://apfmon.lancs.ac.uk/aipanda157 .
In the end should only have analysis queues on APF.
Also think about moving test queues. Should have a separate Harvester instance to allow testing.
14/03:
Lancs: Peter configured Lancs in AGIS to use GridFTP
Brunel: Elena made changes in AGIS and now Brunel is set online. Will look how Lancaster is doing with setup for GridFTP and try to add GridFTP to Brunel and disable srm.
QMUL: Elena removed a queue for ES. QMUL is OK now. Elena will contact harvester expert how to use a high memory quueues
21/03: Elena (from email attached to Indico):
1. I'll configure Sussex in AGIS to use QMUL <--- Ale will do it
2. Raul will think about deployment of XCache in Brunel. <----- NO don't need xcache for Brunel
4. Nicolo says "If the QMUL EventService queue is a different queue in the local batch system, then yes, it will need a new PanDAQueue in AGIS. [... but] the Lancaster EventService queue UKI-NORTHGRID-LANCS-HEP_ES is actually not configured to run EventService anymore."
Lancaster was just a development queue. Peter will deactivate it now.
QMUL has a pre-emption queue setup for the event service, so we should set it up with a separate PanDA queue.
QMUL provides 4 GB / job slot, so used to have separate high memory PanDA queue. Now Harvester handles it in the UCORE queue. Dan will ask Elena to ask Harvester experts to check settings.
28/03: Elena: RALPP asked to disable SL6 analysis queue. There also seems to be a problem with AGIS storage setup. Elena asked Chris to check endpoints (screendump from AGIS).
Elena: request to disable Sussex analysis queue. Done.
Alessandra: Manchester still have problems with Harvester. If we want to maintain the current setup we will have to enable extra PanDA queues.
3. Bham XCache (Mark/Elena)
14/3: Following discussion at Jamboree Mark agreed to install XCache ib Bham. Mark asked for support and Ilija and Rod will help him to install XCache. Mark can deploy it by himself ( install on bare metal or using singularity / docker container) or deploy kubernetes cluster with SLATE and Elena does the rest, keep it up and running, updated, monitored, set up in AGIS.
Sam suggested to discuss Bham XCache setup at the Storage meeting next week. Elena will send email to Mark
21/03: Sam: Mark has a lot of experience setting up xrootd, so XCache setup should be a simple for him. He will setup XCache at Birmingham and agreed to be on-call. Mark can then advise other sites, eg. with Puppet. We won't use SLATE.
Brian: ATLAS UK should do any needed AGIS setup.
Sam: will need to understand how ATLAS uses XCache.
28/03: Waiting to hear back from Mark.
4. CentOS7 migration (Alessandra)
UK quite advanced. Sites with PBS will have to switch to something else.
Alessandra will follow progress for UK (also coordinating for the rest of ATLAS).
31/01: RALPP is moving to CentOS7-only. Elena will check queues.
14/02: Elena switched RALPP UCORE PanDA queue from SL6 to CentOS7. Analysis C7 queue still has problems.
Kashif: Oxford has 2/3 of worker nodes moved to C7 queue. Can delete SL6 queues in a few weeks' time.
Vip: Jeremy has a web page with progress, https://www.gridpp.ac.uk/wiki/Batch_system_status . We should keep that up to date, but also need to monitor progress for ATLAS migration.
28/02: At Vip's request, during the meeting Elena disabled UKI-SOUTHGRID-OX-HEP_CLOUD, UKI-SOUTHGRID-OX-HEP_UCORE, ANALY_OX_TEST, and UKI-SOUTHGRID-OX-HEP_TEST. Just have CentOS7 queues, UKI-SOUTHGRID-OX-HEP_SL7_UCORE and ANALY_OX_SL7.
21/03: Glasgow still to do.
28/03: Sheffield aim for deadline, which Alessandra confirmed was 1st June.
5. Diskless sites
21/02: Sheffield will have to reduce to 150TB, but has 800 job slots. This is a good candidate for going diskless (no buffer to start with), accessing data from Lancaster and/or Manchester.
Birmingham should have 600 TB (700-800TB next year). We can use this! It is large enough for a DATADISK.
Agreed to discuss with ATLAS at the Sites Jamboree (5-8 March). We can then bring it back to GridPP.
28/02: Brian: We need more experience from Birmingham and Manchester monitoring.
14/03: From Jamboree:
Bham: Mark has agreed to setup XCache in Bham
Shef: When Mark switches to XCache Sheffield can use Manchester storage
Cam and Sussex: Dan is happy for Cam and Sussex to use QM storage
Brunel: Dan is not sure about Brunel. Elena will ask Raul
LOCALGROUPDISK at diskless sites: Elena will send email to ATLAS
21/03: Elena (email):
3. Cedric says "diskless sites can keep LOCALGROUPDISK [...] if the UK cloud takes care of contacting the sites if they have problems."
Decided we want to keep LOCALGROUPDISK for the time being.
Dan: will this go away? No Gridpp funding, so only keep long term if sites choose to fund it.
Sam: LOCALGROUPDISK is supposed to be owned ATLAS UK, but mostly actually used by local users.
Elena: should ask John from Cambridge when he wants to try to use QM storage.
Sam: is this what we want. John was interested in seeing how Mark got on at Bham.
28/03: Alessandra will do Sussex: CentOS7 upgrade and switching to diskless.
Alessandra: Brunel still has storage for CMS, but just 33 TB for ATLAS. Don't use XCache.
Brunel has now been set to run low-IO jobs and reduce data consolidation.
Decided to keep as is (with 33 TB ATLAS disk) for the moment.
Brian: wait to see how Birmingham gets on with XCache before trying to use it at Cambridge. Alternative would be to use another site so as not to overload QMUL.
6. Dumps of ATLAS namespace (Brian)
14/03: Brian noticed that some sites stopped provide dumps of atlas namespace. Scripts stopped working after DPM upgrade and contacted sites. Brian will open JIRA ticket.
ATLAS documentation here: https://twiki.cern.ch/twiki/bin/view/AtlasComputing/DDMDarkDataAndLostFiles#Automated_checks_Site_Responsibi
Sites are now making the dumps. Working on RAL Tier1 Echo, which needs a Rucio change.
28/03: Sam: needs to fine tune how to automate dumps.
Matt: Lancaster still to do. Brian will prod him before next week.
News:
Alessandra: NTR
Brian: NTR
Dan: Still seeing high rates of failures on analysis queue. In discussions with Rod.
Elena: NTR
Gareth: NTR
Matt: power intervention at weekend should now only reduce by ~1000 cores. No longer posted as planned downtime.
Peter: NTR
Sam: NTR
Tim:
Stewart Martin-Haugh will be joining him as ATLAS-RAL Liaison. Will be 50% each.
Last Tuesday, changed DDM site name in AGIS from RAL-LCG2-ECHO into to RAL-LCG, and moved Nucleus. Fine to start with but all RAL production jobs started to fail on Friday. Fixed by Rod on Monday: EventService queue still had old Castor disk listed, which seems to have been picked up for Nucleus jobs.
Added 2 new VMWare Frontier nodes at RAL. Will now remove 2 old ones, which completes the migration from HyperV.
ATLAS UK Cloud Support meeting minutes, 28 March 2019
Present: Alessandra Forti, Brian Davies, Dan Traynor, Elena Korolkova, Gareth Roy, Matt Doidge, Peter Love, Sam Skipsey, Tim Adye
Outstanding tickets:
* UKI-SCOTGRID-GLASGOW_LOCALGROUPDISK blacklisted in DDM: OFF for uw (DISKSPACE). More info
* jira [ADCSUPPORT-5159] "UKI-SCOTGRID-GLASGOW LOCALGROUPDISK transfer errors due to NO FREE SPACE"
Brian: http://hep.lancs.ac.uk/~love/ukdata/token/ATLASLOCALGROUPDISK/
Dan: QMUL is full as well but looks like the database is stuck again.
Brian has a quick look at Glasgow datasets. Noticed a new "archive" Rucio scope.
* ggus 140103 UK UKI-NORTHGRID-LANCS-HEP: transfer and staging error with”DESTINATION OVERWRITE srm-ifce err”
Matt: Kept ticket open in case problems. Just about fixed IPv6.
One server blew its network card, then became server for testing. Hopefully fixed today.
Will post blog about dhcpv6.
* ggus 140350 UKI-NORTHGRID-LIV-HEP Deletion Error
Elena: looks fine now. Can be closed. Elena will do it because Liverpool didn't yet.
* ggus 140134 UKI-SOUTHGRID-OX-HEP Unspecified gridmanager error: Code 0 Subcode 0
One of the SE pool nodes crashed. Back up again, and no more errors. Elena will close this ticket too.
Ongoing issues (new comments marked in green):
1. LocalGroupDisk consolidation (Tim)
* most >2year old datasets removed 4 July. Should free 488 TB. Tim will check the rest.
* Tim: R2D2 has default lifetime of 180 days (can be changed when making request).
At S&C Week, Cedric suggested a "subscribe to dataset" option to get email notifications. I think it would be more useful to do this when creating rule, and notification when LOCALGROUPDISK is last replica.
* Brian: do we really need to keep 10% free space? This prevents disk filling up, and leaves room for unexpected increases. Not necessary for sites to also provide a safety margin.
* Tim has asked Roger if we should rebalance more T2 disk from LOCALGROUPDISK to DATADISK. Will prod again.
10/01: Cleanup run is due sooner rather than later. RHUL increased space recently.
17/01: Is 180 day still the limit? We had mixed results when trying in the meeting.
Kashif: How to tell users of files on site's LOCALGROUPDISK? Currently using dmlite-shell.
24/01: Tim sent instructions last week to the atlas-support-cloud-uk list for checking Rucio (don't need to be an ATLAS user).
Kashif: many users have left Oxford, so difficult to contact. Will contact ATLAS Oxford group leader.
Dan asked about user quotas on LOCALGROUPDISK. Some users seem to have individual quotas. They shouldn't.
2. Harvester issues (Peter/Alessandra/Elena)
28/02: Migration almost complete. Kept SL6 queues on APF because they'd go away.
Remaining APF factories listed here: http://apfmon.lancs.ac.uk/aipanda157 .
In the end should only have analysis queues on APF.
Also think about moving test queues. Should have a separate Harvester instance to allow testing.
14/03:
Lancs: Peter configured Lancs in AGIS to use GridFTP
Brunel: Elena made changes in AGIS and now Brunel is set online. Will look how Lancaster is doing with setup for GridFTP and try to add GridFTP to Brunel and disable srm.
QMUL: Elena removed a queue for ES. QMUL is OK now. Elena will contact harvester expert how to use a high memory quueues
21/03: Elena (from email attached to Indico):
1. I'll configure Sussex in AGIS to use QMUL <--- Ale will do it
2. Raul will think about deployment of XCache in Brunel. <----- NO don't need xcache for Brunel
4. Nicolo says "If the QMUL EventService queue is a different queue in the local batch system, then yes, it will need a new PanDAQueue in AGIS. [... but] the Lancaster EventService queue UKI-NORTHGRID-LANCS-HEP_ES is actually not configured to run EventService anymore."
Lancaster was just a development queue. Peter will deactivate it now.
QMUL has a pre-emption queue setup for the event service, so we should set it up with a separate PanDA queue.
QMUL provides 4 GB / job slot, so used to have separate high memory PanDA queue. Now Harvester handles it in the UCORE queue. Dan will ask Elena to ask Harvester experts to check settings.
28/03: Elena: RALPP asked to disable SL6 analysis queue. There also seems to be a problem with AGIS storage setup. Elena asked Chris to check endpoints (screendump from AGIS).
Elena: request to disable Sussex analysis queue. Done.
Alessandra: Manchester still have problems with Harvester. If we want to maintain the current setup we will have to enable extra PanDA queues.
3. Bham XCache (Mark/Elena)
14/3: Following discussion at Jamboree Mark agreed to install XCache ib Bham. Mark asked for support and Ilija and Rod will help him to install XCache. Mark can deploy it by himself ( install on bare metal or using singularity / docker container) or deploy kubernetes cluster with SLATE and Elena does the rest, keep it up and running, updated, monitored, set up in AGIS.
Sam suggested to discuss Bham XCache setup at the Storage meeting next week. Elena will send email to Mark
21/03: Sam: Mark has a lot of experience setting up xrootd, so XCache setup should be a simple for him. He will setup XCache at Birmingham and agreed to be on-call. Mark can then advise other sites, eg. with Puppet. We won't use SLATE.
Brian: ATLAS UK should do any needed AGIS setup.
Sam: will need to understand how ATLAS uses XCache.
28/03: Waiting to hear back from Mark.
4. CentOS7 migration (Alessandra)
UK quite advanced. Sites with PBS will have to switch to something else.
Alessandra will follow progress for UK (also coordinating for the rest of ATLAS).
31/01: RALPP is moving to CentOS7-only. Elena will check queues.
14/02: Elena switched RALPP UCORE PanDA queue from SL6 to CentOS7. Analysis C7 queue still has problems.
Kashif: Oxford has 2/3 of worker nodes moved to C7 queue. Can delete SL6 queues in a few weeks' time.
Vip: Jeremy has a web page with progress, https://www.gridpp.ac.uk/wiki/Batch_system_status . We should keep that up to date, but also need to monitor progress for ATLAS migration.
28/02: At Vip's request, during the meeting Elena disabled UKI-SOUTHGRID-OX-HEP_CLOUD, UKI-SOUTHGRID-OX-HEP_UCORE, ANALY_OX_TEST, and UKI-SOUTHGRID-OX-HEP_TEST. Just have CentOS7 queues, UKI-SOUTHGRID-OX-HEP_SL7_UCORE and ANALY_OX_SL7.
21/03: Glasgow still to do.
28/03: Sheffield aim for deadline, which Alessandra confirmed was 1st June.
5. Diskless sites
21/02: Sheffield will have to reduce to 150TB, but has 800 job slots. This is a good candidate for going diskless (no buffer to start with), accessing data from Lancaster and/or Manchester.
Birmingham should have 600 TB (700-800TB next year). We can use this! It is large enough for a DATADISK.
Agreed to discuss with ATLAS at the Sites Jamboree (5-8 March). We can then bring it back to GridPP.
28/02: Brian: We need more experience from Birmingham and Manchester monitoring.
14/03: From Jamboree:
Bham: Mark has agreed to setup XCache in Bham
Shef: When Mark switches to XCache Sheffield can use Manchester storage
Cam and Sussex: Dan is happy for Cam and Sussex to use QM storage
Brunel: Dan is not sure about Brunel. Elena will ask Raul
LOCALGROUPDISK at diskless sites: Elena will send email to ATLAS
21/03: Elena (email):
3. Cedric says "diskless sites can keep LOCALGROUPDISK [...] if the UK cloud takes care of contacting the sites if they have problems."
Decided we want to keep LOCALGROUPDISK for the time being.
Dan: will this go away? No Gridpp funding, so only keep long term if sites choose to fund it.
Sam: LOCALGROUPDISK is supposed to be owned ATLAS UK, but mostly actually used by local users.
Elena: should ask John from Cambridge when he wants to try to use QM storage.
Sam: is this what we want. John was interested in seeing how Mark got on at Bham.
28/03: Alessandra will do Sussex: CentOS7 upgrade and switching to diskless.
Alessandra: Brunel still has storage for CMS, but just 33 TB for ATLAS. Don't use XCache.
Brunel has now been set to run low-IO jobs and reduce data consolidation.
Decided to keep as is (with 33 TB ATLAS disk) for the moment.
Brian: wait to see how Birmingham gets on with XCache before trying to use it at Cambridge. Alternative would be to use another site so as not to overload QMUL.
6. Dumps of ATLAS namespace (Brian)
14/03: Brian noticed that some sites stopped provide dumps of atlas namespace. Scripts stopped working after DPM upgrade and contacted sites. Brian will open JIRA ticket.
ATLAS documentation here: https://twiki.cern.ch/twiki/bin/view/AtlasComputing/DDMDarkDataAndLostFiles#Automated_checks_Site_Responsibi
Sites are now making the dumps. Working on RAL Tier1 Echo, which needs a Rucio change.
28/03: Sam: needs to fine tune how to automate dumps.
Matt: Lancaster still to do. Brian will prod him before next week.
News:
Alessandra: NTR
Brian: NTR
Dan: Still seeing high rates of failures on analysis queue. In discussions with Rod.
Elena: NTR
Gareth: NTR
Matt: power intervention at weekend should now only reduce by ~1000 cores. No longer posted as planned downtime.
Peter: NTR
Sam: NTR
Tim:
Stewart Martin-Haugh will be joining him as ATLAS-RAL Liaison. Will be 50% each.
Last Tuesday, changed DDM site name in AGIS from RAL-LCG2-ECHO into to RAL-LCG, and moved Nucleus. Fine to start with but all RAL production jobs started to fail on Friday. Fixed by Rod on Monday: EventService queue still had old Castor disk listed, which seems to have been picked up for Nucleus jobs.
Added 2 new VMWare Frontier nodes at RAL. Will now remove 2 old ones, which completes the migration from HyperV.
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