Sixteenth design meeting

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Changes in the design:

  • Bayonet to phase separator
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  • Coax feedthroughs outside of PSep chamber
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  • Level gauge in PSep
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  • Cable bending radius changed as discussed it is ~30 mm both on top and bottom (provider clarified that the special options of inox steel etc. does not change minimum bending radius)
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  • Horizontal thermal shields inside PSep chamber
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    • 14:00 → 15:00
      Discussion 1h

      Hello Torsten

       

      Looking at P&D

      • Line B int: 1.1 barg in the He guard, protected at 1 barg (MEYLSQLH0004)
      • Line C int: 2.9 barg (MEYLSQLH0004)
      • Line D int: 2.9 barg (MEYLSQLH0006) If I am not wrong… please check it

       

      So, we should design our vessel under the scope of the PED, for PS=2.9 barg.

      Do you agree?

       

      Kind regards,

       

      Luca


      Luca Dassa, PhD
      CERN - European Organization for Nuclear Research
      EN Department - MME-EDM Group
      CH-1211 Geneva 23
      SWITZERLAND
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      luca.dassa@cern.ch

       

      From: Torsten Koettig <torsten.koettig@cern.ch>
      Sent: 20 July 2020 13:23
      To: Luca Dassa <Luca.Dassa@cern.ch>
      Subject: RE: Fresca 1 SV pipe

       

      Hi Luca,

       

      Now thinking about it, we need to make it at least the same pressure as the max. supply line pressure.

       

      Yours Torsten

       

      From: Luca Dassa <Luca.Dassa@cern.ch>
      Sent: 20 July, 2020 12:02
      To: Torsten Koettig <torsten.koettig@cern.ch>
      Subject: RE: Fresca 1 SV pipe

       

      Thank you, Torsten!

      Concerning the pressure rating for the PED classification, I will think about it.

      If it is not a problem for the operation, 0.5 barg should be the best option.

       

      Kind regards,

       

      Luca


      Luca Dassa, PhD
      CERN - European Organization for Nuclear Research
      EN Department - MME-EDM Group
      CH-1211 Geneva 23
      SWITZERLAND
      office: 112-3/023 (postbox: M16210)
      mobile: +41 75 411 1513 (int. 161513)
      phone: +41 22 76 62356 (int. 62356)
      e-mail:
      luca.dassa@cern.ch

       

      From: Torsten Koettig <torsten.koettig@cern.ch>
      Sent: 20 July 2020 07:48
      To: Luca Dassa <Luca.Dassa@cern.ch>
      Subject: RE: Fresca 1 SV pipe

       

      Hi Luca,

       

      I am back from my short vacation.

       

      I used the assumptions:

       

      set pressure 0.5 barg (if we can and make it a pressure vessel we can go higher in pressure…)

      Loss of insulation vacuum with 20 MLI

      0.5 m2 cold surface (estimation, since I do not have the correct numbers)

      0.45 m distance to SV and no distance at SV outlet.

       

      Yours Torsten

       

       

       

      From: Luca Dassa <Luca.Dassa@cern.ch>
      Sent: 10 July, 2020 18:26
      To: Torsten Koettig <torsten.koettig@cern.ch>
      Cc: Laetitia Dufay-Chanat <laetitia.dufay-chanat@cern.ch>
      Subject: RE: Fresca 1 SV pipe

       

      Hello Torsten,

       

      Thank you for this information.

      Which are the input you used for the evaluation?

      • set pressure of the relief device?
      • Loss of insulation vacuum? Or heat loads per surface unit?

      Kind regards,

       

      Luca


      Luca Dassa, PhD
      CERN - European Organization for Nuclear Research
      EN Department - MME-EDM Group
      CH-1211 Geneva 23
      SWITZERLAND
      office: 112-3/023 (postbox: M16210)
      mobile: +41 75 411 1513 (int. 161513)
      phone: +41 22 76 62356 (int. 62356)
      e-mail:
      luca.dassa@cern.ch

       

      From: Torsten Koettig <torsten.koettig@cern.ch>
      Sent: 10 July 2020 16:07
      To: Luca Dassa <Luca.Dassa@cern.ch>; Laetitia Dufay-Chanat <laetitia.dufay-chanat@cern.ch>
      Subject: Fresca 1 SV pipe

       

      Hi Luca,

       

      I have checked the vacuum break condition for the phase separator and if the pipe is 0.45 m long we can handle it with DN15 which is inside a big bigger 16-17 mm.

       

      The flow rate can be handled if we place 20 layers MLI.

       

      Yours Torsten

       

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      Dr. Torsten Koettig

      Central Cryogenic Laboratory

      CERN  TE-CRG-CI ,

      CH-1211 Geneva 23

       

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