Discussion about possible ECAL/HCAL in 2026

Europe/Zurich
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Hidetoshi Otono
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    • 08:00 08:20
      Inputs for today's discussion 20m
      Speakers: Hidetoshi Otono (Kyushu University (JP)), Zhen Hu (Tsinghua University (CN))

      1. AHCAL Transportation Constraints

      Overview:

      • The transportation team has provided the dimensional limits of the transport platform:

        • Width: 1000 mm

        • Length: 3000 mm

        • Height: 900 mm

      • The current AHCAL structure exceeds these limits slightly.

      Options Discussed:

      1. Larger Transport Platform:

        • Would require new design and verification by civil engineering.

        • Long lead time (previous example: 3 months).

        • Estimated cost over 10k CHF?

      2. Rebuild the Frame:

        • The current frame holds 40 layers and is not disassemblable.

        • Remaking the frame would be costly and time-consuming.

      3. Modify the Existing Frame:

        • Mechanical feasibility under investigation.

        • May involve reducing frame thickness or trimming corners.

        • Preliminary feedback suggests this is technically challenging.

      Alternative Approach:

      • Custom Cradle:

        • Proposed to build a simpler cradle with lifting points 1.8 meters apart.

        • Should support the frame (without iron plates).

        • Target weight under 2 tons.

        • Could be manufactured locally in China to reduce cost.

      Action Items:

      • Shunliang? to provide detailed photos of the frame and potential lifting points.

      • USTC mechanical engineers to evaluate the cradle design.


      2. DAQ and Trigger System

      TLU-Based Trigger Logic:

      • The TLU board accepts 6 inputs:

        • 2 channels for veto scintillators

        • 4 channels for analog signals from AHCAL

      • TLU settings (threshold, delay, veto stretch) can be adjusted via software.

      • No firmware update required.

      • Configuration validated during previous test beam campaigns.

      Trigger Optimization (Presented by Yasuhiro Maruya):

      • Simulation tested conditions for neutron rejection and ν_eCC efficiency.

      • Trigger condition:

        • At least 2 of layers 18, 19, 38, or 39 receive signal > 0.2 MeV within 10 ns window.

      • Efficiency:

        • ν_eCC detection: ~98%

        • Good suppression of delayed neutron background.

      Engineering Concerns:

      • Need to confirm where the sensitive region of AHCAL begins relative to the floor.

      • This affects placement height of veto scintillators.

      Action Items:

      • Yunlong/Zhen to confirm sensitive region height with photos and measurements.

      • Brian to propose scintillator dimensions (suggested: 80x80 cm).


      3. Digitization Updates (Yasuhiro Maruya)

      Key Changes:

      • Implemented new digitization from Hongbin:

        • Cell-by-cell calibration of SiPM and electronics characteristics.

        • Consideration of low-gain saturation effects.

        • Artificial cap at 80 MeV per cell introduced for worst-case scenario.

      Results:

      • ν_eCC Energy reconstruction:

        • Std. Dev. (E_reco/E_truth):

          • Old: 29%

          • Updated: 32%

          • With saturation: 35%

      • ν_eCC PID and background rejection:

        • Slight improvement with calibrated digitization.

        • Slight degradation with saturation, but within acceptable bounds.

      Conclusion:

      • Digitization changes do not significantly impact overall detector performance.


      4. D-Meson and Tau Decay Handling

      Motivation:

      • GEANT4 does not fully simulate decay of charm hadrons and tau leptons.

      • Previously defaulted to hadronic decay only.

      Updates:

      • Introduced Pythia8 decay handling.

      • Enabled more realistic decay chains including leptonic channels.

      Effects:

      • ν_eCC PID rejection performance:

        • Slight drop (~8%) in ν_μCC and NC rejection due to muon tracks.

        • Minor effect on ν_eCC detection.

      • Flux measurement uncertainty:

        • Increased slightly (from 56%~112% to 57%~118%).

      Conclusion:

      • No critical degradation.

      • Handling of D decays via Pythia8 is preferred for realism.


      5. Miscellaneous and Next Steps

      Photos and Geometry

      • Shunliang will visit the site and take photographs.

      • Frame geometry, lifting hook placements, and sensitive region locations will be documented.

      Trigger Placement and Design

      • Scintillator placement depends on active volume height.

      • Placement should avoid interference and align with active area.

      Summary:

      • Frame transportation challenge actively discussed.

      • DAQ and digitization components are mostly ready.

      • Trigger logic and placement design progressing.

       


      Next Meeting Tasks:

      • Share frame photos and detailed geometry.

      • Finalize cradle/lifting structure design.

      • Confirm trigger logic parameters with hardware.

      • Validate decay model impact with further simulation if needed.

    • 08:20 08:40
      Simulation update 20m
      Speaker: Yasuhiro Maruya (Institute of Science Tokyo (JP))
    • 08:40 09:00