Searching for long-lived particles at the LHC: Third workshop of the LHC LLP Community
Following the successes of the LHC Long-Lived Particle (LLP) Workshops in April and October of 2017 -- and continuing the robust and rich tradition defined by prior workshops such as “LHC Searches for Long-Lived BSM Particles: Theory Meets Experiment", at U. Mass, Amherst, in November of 2015; “Experimental Challenges for the LHC Run II", at the Kavli Institute for Theoretical Physics in May of 2016; and the “LHC Long-Lived Particles Mini-Workshop" at CERN in May of 2016 -- the LHC LLP Community, composed of members of the CMS, LHCb, and ATLAS collaborations as well as theorists, phenomenologists and those interested in LLP searches with dedicated LHC detectors such as milliQan, MoEDAL, MATHUSLA, FASER, Codex-b, etc., convenes again to discuss the outcomes presented in the community white paper, assess the state of searches for long-lived particles beyond the Standard Model at the LHC, brainstorm about new ideas for LLP searches, and focus on the future of LLP searches in HEP, both at the LHC and for future detectors and projects.
The format will likely be similar to that of our previous workshops, i.e., a working-workshop, where we focus on discussion and collaboration, with any talks functioning to set the stage for that collaboration.
This workshop is unique, however, because after months of work by our community, the white paper is currently nearing completion. Thus, while we will definitely feature a component devoted to a review of the content of the white paper, the focus of this workshop will be on the future:
- What's next for LLP searches at the LHC?
- What didn't we get to cover in the first white paper?
- What recommendations for triggers and upgrade studies have arisen since we started this work?
- How well do we really, quantitatively understand where our searches for prompt objects have sensitivity for LLPs, and how can we encourage the experimental collaborations to address this question comprehensively?
- What about future detectors?
- And what about new ideas for thinking critically about the ultimate sensitivity for LLP signatures / benchmark simplified models at the LHC and about what will be learned at future machines?
And yes, of course there will be at least one lightning round! Please contact the organizers with your proposal or idea.
The first day of the workshop features collaborative sessions with the Re-interpretations workshop concluding that same day, also at CERN.
The agenda is taking shape now, but please register now!
Note that while we hope to see you in person at CERN, remote participation will indeed be available via Vidyo. Please register whether you will participate in person or remotely and indicate so in your registration.
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Speakers: Brian Shuve (Harvey Mudd College), James Beacham (Ohio State University (US))
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Speaker: Prof. David Curtin (University of Toronto)
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Convener: Will Buttinger (CERN)
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Breakout working group sessions: Parallel and hands-on¶
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Geant4, Pythia, and the challenges of LLP simulation(-over-beers)
Speaker: Will Buttinger (CERN)Simulating travelling rhadrons
- 2 grids in the Whitepaper where the LLP carries SM (except weak) charge. We need to know how to simulate these.
- Important to let G4 interact the rhadron because it can hadronize as it goes through all the material (travels through more than a bhadron because of lifetime) so cannot decide how to decay it before g4 does its thing (unlike bhadrons, as is done in evtgen, where assumption that bhadron wont change state is reasonable given lifetime/material).
- G4 can decay slepton, but not things like rhadrons ... need to use pythia.
- Have been technical issues in being able to reinitialize pythia after G4 runs and make it decay an rhadron that’s given to it (Reported by Jennifer, Somewhat resolved by Steve?).
- How do we pass configuration information from pythia->G4->pythia in this chain ... ATLAS moving away from HepMC, making it harder to do this in a unified way, each collaboration just deals with it themself?
- The current mass spectrum ("generic" or "intermediate") used by ATLAS for rhadrons is a hacked-together incoherent(?) mess. Its a choice. Last update was 5 years ago, before that was 15 years ago. Store deltas (are masses relative to the input gluino state). Rather than adding up the constituent quark masses to get Rhadron mass in pythia, we should just specify the masses for each Rhadron.
- Regge model determines hadronic interactions - is what is in use in ATLAS atm. Not the same as “regge model” mass spectrum that is used in pythia6. CMS uses the "cloud model" for the hadronic interactions, which we hope is the same thing.
- At the moment spin correlations are completely neglected - nobody can think of an important case where it matters.Simulating stopping rhadrons
- At the moment ATLAS uses a simple stopping threshold criteria (Beta < A^(-2/3)). This doesnt simulate the deceleration of stopping rhadrons, which would occur as they drag ions along.
- Concern that efficiencies measured in stopping particle searches are overestimated (by factors of maybe 2, not 10-100). Would like to be able to simulate these correctly.
Simulating quirks
- Chris Hill made his argument for why quirks are basically non-existent (all but shortest string lengths were killed by fractional charge search).
- Could reinterpret Heavy Stable Charged Particle searches in terms of (short length) quirks if we had a reliable simulation. But it's going to be driven by best effort, and effort seems lacking.Fast simulation
- There was reasonable interest in understanding how far validity of fast simulation can go when it comes to LLPs (non-pointing tracks/photons etc).
Action items
- It is very important that each simplified model in the white paper that features long-lived interacting (SM-charged) particles should come with a corresponding description of the interaction model. Experts should be assembled to define/document for each case (rhadrons, HIP, monopole, ..) where relevent:
- Particle mass spectrum
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- G4 interaction model
- Other relevant parameters of the model (e.g. initial qluino/gluon fraction)- At very least there needs to be effort to compare/contrast what is currently done by ATLAS and CMS and LHCb to check for differences
- Would like to call for studies on both sides that compare fast and full sim in LLP scenarios to try to quantify geometric/phase space where fast sim is reasonable
Participants in discussion
Zach Marshall (ATLAS)
Larry Lee (ATLAS)
Chris Hill (CMS)
Steve Mrenna (CMS/Pythia)
Jennifer Roloff (ATLAS)
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Monopoles / Highly-ionizing particles / High electric charge objects at ATLAS¶ 20m 500/1-001 - Main AuditoriumSpeaker: Wendy Taylor (York University (CA))
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